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Lol, wow. Just wow. The "left wing development" that produced highways and public school was nothing like the modern left wing, and if you think the democrats are solely responsible for this you are sorely mistaken. That is an incredibly poor argument. And no, other countries aren't "working out great", private sector healthcare industries thrive in countries like Canada and Italy, which I have personally had nationals from both these countries explain to me just how horrible these programs are and how lucky they are to be immigrating to the US. "Free" healthcare isn't free and it has no place existing in a "democratic" country when it was rejected democratically and imposed as a tax to begin with.


Good job, the point went over your head. If you saw the initial argument, it was that it is incredibly stupid to hate 'democrats,' as a whole, but rather hate the people. And well that's a no brainer, there are some decent republicans with some more social progressive platforms, but if they were a majority, I don't think they'd be called a conservative party. I don't think I've seen a whole lot of good arguments from you either honestly. Happy to be immigrating to the US? LOL that's hilarious, your country is so fucked up backwards that I find it hard to believe. Now, if they are wealthy individuals.. maybe I could understand it, as you can't buy your way through everything as easily here as you can there.

I'd have trouble believing it was rejected democratically, there's no real democracy in a country with such a convoluted system as the US, like electoral colleges(wtf), incredibly low voter turnouts, whether it is because they made voting difficult or deceived people through the media(only time republicans usually win)


Nothing flew over my head, you were and are trying to justify the left wing in the US your bias is so painfully clear that everyone can see every bit of it and not one bit is well thought out or an actual rebuttal to anything I said in any of my posts, just you trying to be condescending from up on your high horse. Good job butting in on the quality of life of a country you don't even live in. Only an idiot or an entitled bum (sounds a lot like yourself, maybe?) would consider the USA backwards. Whether you want to believe it or not Obamacare went through all our legal loops and tracks multiple times and was rejected everytime, and because you also don't seem to understand it ("Wtf?" lol)electoral colleges and representatives are generally deterrents of concepts like the tyranny of a majority, they are there for a reason even if it "flies over your head". Republicans don't make voting difficult, this is an incredibly asinine and ridiculous argument. If requiring you to have an id and thus paying 20 bucks every 3 or 4 years (if that seeing how many states will provide state ID's free of charge) is what's stopping you from voting, I think it's awesome that you aren't. Republicans don't come in to power through the media you're thinking of the left. Between, MSNBC, CNN, The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine, the entertainment industry and about a billion other publications and sectors compared to pretty much Fox and its conglomerates I don't see how you could possibly make that case reasonably. Republicans are often brought into office in response to dips in the economy, this is not an opinion but a historical trend. You don't need to be wealthy to be very happy in the US, (yet) but all the socialists and entitled 20 year olds like yourself think it's a nightmare because you're expected to work and shoulder your own weight.
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Hillary's tax plan will raise taxes across the board to pay for her proposed programs, with the wealthiest Americans paying a significant amount more into the system. Yes, that does include a increasing tax on the middle class, but all in all, it is a very minor increase compared to the increase seen in the rich or ultra rich classes.


You forgot the part where big corporations would then pay into the Clinton Foundation to get tax "incentives" and loopholes to lower their effective tax rate to be under 0% and regulations in place that only they can afford that choke out their competition.

I mean I wish we could discuss policy, but Hillary Clinton has already demonstrated easily enough that it's pay to play with her.
(Clinton Cash is a good example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td2pyyCau30 )

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In terms of vote fraud...yeah, it exists, but the "It only benefits republicans" is BS

Might I mention that Obama won 108% of the vote in a county in Ohio...
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/good-news-obama-won-county-in-ohio-with.html

In fact there's already been a TON this year with the vast majority of it being in the Democratic party against Bernie Sanders
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Meanwhile...

1. Donald Trump wants to torture people as a form of punishment in the case that it's not effective for gathering information, though he also swears it is effective at gathering information in full contradiction of the evidence presented in the CIA torture report that it doesn't reliably produce actionable information and injures innocent people in the process:


This morning they asked me a question: 'Would you approve waterboarding?" Would I approve waterboarding? Would I approve waterboarding? And I said 'Well, let me ask you a question: on the other side they chop off our young peoples' heads and they put them on a stick. On the other side they build these iron cages that they'll put twenty people in them, and they drop them in the ocean for fifteen minutes and they pull them up fifteen minutes later. Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your arse I would. You bet your arse. In a heartbeat. In a heartbeat. And I would approve more than that. Don't kid yourself, folks: it works, okay? It works. Only a stupid person would say it doesn't work. It works. They're all saying 'Oh, it has no effect. It has no effect.' I know people, that are very, very important people, and they want to be politically correct. And I see some people talking on television about 'Well, I don't know if it worked', and they tell me later on 'It works.' It works. Believe me, it works. And you know what? If it doesn't work they deserve it anyway for what they're doing. They deserve it. It works.



Some people say it’s [waterboarding] not actually torture — let’s assume it is. But they asked me the question: ‘What are you going to do on waterboarding?’ Absolutely fine, but we should go much stronger than waterboarding. That’s the way I feel.


2. Donald Trump wants to kill civilians as an intimidation tactic:


I would do my best, absolute best, I mean one of the problems that we have and one of the reasons we're so ineffective is they're trying to, they're using them [civilians] as shields. It's a horrible thing. They're using them as shields. But we're fighting a very politically correct war. And the other thing is with the terrorists you have to take out their families. When you get these terrorists you have to take out their families. They, they care about their lives. Don't kid yourselves. They say they don't care about their lives. You have to take out their families.


3. Donald Trump considers beating someone half to death an appropriate way to deal with dissent:


The things that were said about me. I mean, should I go through some of the names? You know what, I wanted to. I wanted to hit a couple of those speakers so hard, I would've hit them--no, no--I was going to hit them so--I was all set. And then I got a call from a highly respected governor, 'How's it going, Donald?'. I said, 'Well, it's going good, but they're saying really bad things about me. I'm going to hit them so hard--I was going to hit one guy in particular, a very little guy, I was going to hit this guy so hard his head would spin, he wouldn't know what the hell happened.' And he came out of nowhere, he came out of nowhere, they make deals with me, 'Would you help me with this? Would you make this deal and solve the problem?' I solved the problem, I do a great job. I was going to hit a number of those speakers so hard their heads would spin, they'd never recover. And that's what I did with a lot of--that's why I still don't have certain people endorsing me, they still haven't recovered.


4. Donald Trump considers global climate change a hoax conjured by the Chinese government:


The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.


5. Donald Trump doesn't know how many articles the US federal constitution has (it's seven, Donald). In response to a question about how he'll protect the legislature's powers (Article I), Trump said:


I want to protect Article I, Article II, Article XII.


6. Donald Trump doesn't know the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah:


It [the difference] will [matter to me] when it's appropriate. I will know more about it than you know, and believe me, it won't take me long. Right now, right now I think it's just something that--and you know what, if you ask these candidates, nobody's going to be able to give an answer. I mean, there may be one that's studied it because they're expecting a fresh question from you, but believe me, it won't matter. I will know far more than you do within 24 hours after I get the job [the Presidency].


Donald Trump doesn't know the difference between the Kurds and the Quds, either, and wrote off that lack of knowledge by saying:


Hugh was giving me name after name, Arab name, Arab name, and there are few people anywhere, anywhere, that would have known those names...I think he was reading them off a sheet, and frankly, I will have, and I told him, I will have the finest team that anybody's put together, and we will solve a lot of problems...Right now, they know a lot and look at what's happening, the world is blowing up around us...We will have great teams and great people.


He. Wants. To. Fight. al Qaeda. And. ISIL. Without. Knowing. Who. Zawahiri. And. al-Baghdadi. Are.

Edit: You know what? You all aren't running for President of the United States, so maybe you don't know who those people are either. Zawahiri and al-Baghdadi? Those are the respective leaders of al Qaeda and ISIL. Trump is basically doing the equivalent of wanting to go to war with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan without knowing who Hitler and Tojo are.

7. Donald Trump continues to low ball the cost of his proposed border wall, and plans to fund its construction by means that are simultaneously nonsensical and viciously inhumane:


On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.

On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.


In other words, this plan is basically supposed to function like an extortion racket where your stuff gets broken even if you pay out. Assuming the border wall manages to defy all reason and actually eliminates undocumented immigration from Mexico, that Trump is able to successfully keep his promise to deport any and all undocumented Mexicans, and that most of the money remitted into Mexico Trump is targeting comes from undocumented immigrants working in the United States, Mexico loses those remittances whether it funds the border wall or not. The Mexican government has no incentive to fund the wall under this plan.

8. Donald Trump simultaneously opposes and supports increasing minimum wages. Sure, Trump says he supports the idea of a $10 federal minimum wage now, but look what he said about raising the minimum wage before:


I can’t be [sympathetic to protestors pushing for increasing the minimum wage]…and the reason I can’t be is because we are a country that is being beaten on every front. Taxes too high, wages too high, we’re not going to be able to compete against the world.


9. Donald Trump's behaviour toward veterans' charities is highly suspicious, with a good deal of his donations to charity groups (about 15 of the 30 groups AP contacted) coming out right before an interview on the subject was published. He has, predictably, castigated the press for even asking where the donations he's been publicly touting are going, calling them a "private matter".

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/44c48343f6244ea58768180a94d09429/trump-detail-fundraising-veterans-charities

10. Donald Trump expressed support for the British exit while demonstrating absolutely no understanding of what it meant, who supported it, or why.

Bonus: He supported the invasion of Iraq just like Hillary. Both were idiots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77P6fxa2KOs

Internal documents from Trump University indicating that the operation specifically targeted desperate poor people and used social engineering to guide them into paying for more expensive packages, flip flopping on whether he knows who David Duke is and whether he disavows Duke, retweeting white supremacists, declaring that he likes Mussolini quotes, the list goes on.

Hillary's a crooked bitch, and the DNC must be made to pay for their crimes, but Trump is an idiot and a psychopath.
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I wouldn't mind being taxed if my taxes were actually put to efficient uses. The government, however, likes to spend that money on funding free car washes for senate members etc. Also, tax money is used to provide 'relief' for impoverished countries...when that money could be better spent helping OUR country/economy. I am all for helping others, but it is just ignorant and fricking stupid to try to help someone else when you don't even have the power to help yourself...also, i'm not really satisfied with any of the candidates. I think Hillary is an intelligent human being and Trump is a great businessman. But Trump doesn't know how to choose his words carefully. And Hillary is just wanting to be the first 'woman' president. The fact that that is even brought up - about how she would be the first - just shows how far away from equality our society really is. Just like when Obama was elected. His entire election was centered around "first black president". I just want a good president, gender and ethnicity be damned.
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It's like you people haven't heard of Medicaid or SSI.

Christ.


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I honestly wouldn't mind higher taxes, but as voters we have every right to know exactly what our taxes are going to and the knowledge that our taxes are actually doing something useful other than going into the pockets of politicians. Would it kill to have something like a pie chart or something to explain how much of a dollar goes where on the IRS website or something? It would really make a difference if the people knew how their money is going to be spent.
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Blame the idiots who made it possible for her to get this far.


Blame America for making the two of the worst candidates lead the presidential election.
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Meanwhile...

1. Donald Trump wants to torture people as a form of punishment in the case that it's not effective for gathering information, though he also swears it is effective at gathering information in full contradiction of the evidence presented in the CIA torture report that it doesn't reliably produce actionable information and injures innocent people in the process:


This morning they asked me a question: 'Would you approve waterboarding?" Would I approve waterboarding? Would I approve waterboarding? And I said 'Well, let me ask you a question: on the other side they chop off our young peoples' heads and they put them on a stick. On the other side they build these iron cages that they'll put twenty people in them, and they drop them in the ocean for fifteen minutes and they pull them up fifteen minutes later. Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your arse I would. You bet your arse. In a heartbeat. In a heartbeat. And I would approve more than that. Don't kid yourself, folks: it works, okay? It works. Only a stupid person would say it doesn't work. It works. They're all saying 'Oh, it has no effect. It has no effect.' I know people, that are very, very important people, and they want to be politically correct. And I see some people talking on television about 'Well, I don't know if it worked', and they tell me later on 'It works.' It works. Believe me, it works. And you know what? If it doesn't work they deserve it anyway for what they're doing. They deserve it. It works.



Some people say it’s [waterboarding] not actually torture — let’s assume it is. But they asked me the question: ‘What are you going to do on waterboarding?’ Absolutely fine, but we should go much stronger than waterboarding. That’s the way I feel.


2. Donald Trump wants to kill civilians as an intimidation tactic:


I would do my best, absolute best, I mean one of the problems that we have and one of the reasons we're so ineffective is they're trying to, they're using them [civilians] as shields. It's a horrible thing. They're using them as shields. But we're fighting a very politically correct war. And the other thing is with the terrorists you have to take out their families. When you get these terrorists you have to take out their families. They, they care about their lives. Don't kid yourselves. They say they don't care about their lives. You have to take out their families.


3. Donald Trump considers beating someone half to death an appropriate way to deal with dissent:


The things that were said about me. I mean, should I go through some of the names? You know what, I wanted to. I wanted to hit a couple of those speakers so hard, I would've hit them--no, no--I was going to hit them so--I was all set. And then I got a call from a highly respected governor, 'How's it going, Donald?'. I said, 'Well, it's going good, but they're saying really bad things about me. I'm going to hit them so hard--I was going to hit one guy in particular, a very little guy, I was going to hit this guy so hard his head would spin, he wouldn't know what the hell happened.' And he came out of nowhere, he came out of nowhere, they make deals with me, 'Would you help me with this? Would you make this deal and solve the problem?' I solved the problem, I do a great job. I was going to hit a number of those speakers so hard their heads would spin, they'd never recover. And that's what I did with a lot of--that's why I still don't have certain people endorsing me, they still haven't recovered.


4. Donald Trump considers global climate change a hoax conjured by the Chinese government:


The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.


5. Donald Trump doesn't know how many articles the US federal constitution has (it's seven, Donald). In response to a question about how he'll protect the legislature's powers (Article I), Trump said:


I want to protect Article I, Article II, Article XII.


6. Donald Trump doesn't know the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah:


It [the difference] will [matter to me] when it's appropriate. I will know more about it than you know, and believe me, it won't take me long. Right now, right now I think it's just something that--and you know what, if you ask these candidates, nobody's going to be able to give an answer. I mean, there may be one that's studied it because they're expecting a fresh question from you, but believe me, it won't matter. I will know far more than you do within 24 hours after I get the job [the Presidency].


Donald Trump doesn't know the difference between the Kurds and the Quds, either, and wrote off that lack of knowledge by saying:


Hugh was giving me name after name, Arab name, Arab name, and there are few people anywhere, anywhere, that would have known those names...I think he was reading them off a sheet, and frankly, I will have, and I told him, I will have the finest team that anybody's put together, and we will solve a lot of problems...Right now, they know a lot and look at what's happening, the world is blowing up around us...We will have great teams and great people.


He. Wants. To. Fight. al Qaeda. And. ISIL. Without. Knowing. Who. Zawahiri. And. al-Baghdadi. Are.

Edit: You know what? You all aren't running for President of the United States, so maybe you don't know who those people are either. Zawahiri and al-Baghdadi? Those are the respective leaders of al Qaeda and ISIL. Trump is basically doing the equivalent of wanting to go to war with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan without knowing who Hitler and Tojo are.

7. Donald Trump continues to low ball the cost of his proposed border wall, and plans to fund its construction by means that are simultaneously nonsensical and viciously inhumane:


On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.

On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.


In other words, this plan is basically supposed to function like an extortion racket where your stuff gets broken even if you pay out. Assuming the border wall manages to defy all reason and actually eliminates undocumented immigration from Mexico, that Trump is able to successfully keep his promise to deport any and all undocumented Mexicans, and that most of the money remitted into Mexico Trump is targeting comes from undocumented immigrants working in the United States, Mexico loses those remittances whether it funds the border wall or not. The Mexican government has no incentive to fund the wall under this plan.

8. Donald Trump simultaneously opposes and supports increasing minimum wages. Sure, Trump says he supports the idea of a $10 federal minimum wage now, but look what he said about raising the minimum wage before:


I can’t be [sympathetic to protestors pushing for increasing the minimum wage]…and the reason I can’t be is because we are a country that is being beaten on every front. Taxes too high, wages too high, we’re not going to be able to compete against the world.


9. Donald Trump's behaviour toward veterans' charities is highly suspicious, with a good deal of his donations to charity groups (about 15 of the 30 groups AP contacted) coming out right before an interview on the subject was published. He has, predictably, castigated the press for even asking where the donations he's been publicly touting are going, calling them a "private matter".

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/44c48343f6244ea58768180a94d09429/trump-detail-fundraising-veterans-charities

10. Donald Trump expressed support for the British exit while demonstrating absolutely no understanding of what it meant, who supported it, or why.

Bonus: He supported the invasion of Iraq just like Hillary. Both were idiots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77P6fxa2KOs

Internal documents from Trump University indicating that the operation specifically targeted desperate poor people and used social engineering to guide them into paying for more expensive packages, flip flopping on whether he knows who David Duke is and whether he disavows Duke, retweeting white supremacists, declaring that he likes Mussolini quotes, the list goes on.

Hillary's a crooked bitch, and the DNC must be made to pay for their crimes, but Trump is an idiot and a psychopath.


TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE TRUMP SHOULD BE PRESIDENT:
PLEASE READ.


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On his website, before it was deleted, Kahn told that he worked for the firm of Hogan & Hartson in Washington D.C., a major area firm. (The firm has since rebranded itself.) As a lawyer for the firm, he had connection with both Saudi Arabia and the Clinton Foundation. Saudi Arabia has retained the firm and paid $35 million to the Clinton Foundation.That firm also did Hillary Clinton's taxes.

> I figured Khan was a plant by the DNC.
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“Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July; Democrats believe every day is April 15th” ~ Ronald Reagan.

In our blue state, they just began taxing ebooks. Nothing promotes literacy better than making reading more expensive.
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On his website, before it was deleted, Kahn told that he worked for the firm of Hogan & Hartson in Washington D.C., a major area firm. (The firm has since rebranded itself.) As a lawyer for the firm, he had connection with both Saudi Arabia and the Clinton Foundation. Saudi Arabia has retained the firm and paid $35 million to the Clinton Foundation.That firm also did Hillary Clinton's taxes.

> I figured Khan was a plant by the DNC.


I'll see your Breitbart based claim that Khan's invocation of his late son's name in condemnation of Trump was because he's a Clinton and Saudi shill, and raise you one article that exposes that claim for the hogwash that it is.

http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/03/khizr-khans-connections/

I don't know why you posted this since the thread is talking about Hillary and taxes, but I am setting this record straight.
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Hillary's a crooked bitch, and the DNC must be made to pay for their crimes, but Trump is an idiot and a psychopath.
but then again how much does he really believe this stuff then just saying it or accepting it there and then, using trump vs buying out hillary... so either get a small loan from trump or give hillary a small loan to take your side (saying that trump is mostly an idiot then a psychopath).

anyway vote deez nuts!

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i don't mind paying tax. i think tax should be progressive. the more you earn the more you pay the less you earn the less you pay. but everyone pays is the point. to have a society with good standards of living, like power water, sewage, health care transportation, roads , education safety, law enforcment, defense etc. (you don't wanna live like Africans) you need lots of jobs paying a living wage and a fare progressive tax system. when taxes are collected it should be spent on the american people, not given to the rich to play the stock market and not spent on starting life long wars and not air dropped in big crates to terrorist.
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No, vote Harambe 2016
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the more you earn the more you pay the less you earn the less you pay. but everyone pays is the point. to have a society with good standards of living, like power water, sewage, health care transportation, roads , education safety, law enforcment, defense etc. (you don't wanna live like Africans) you need lots of jobs paying a living wage and a fare progressive tax system. when taxes are collected it should be spent on the american people.
yes tax, and avoiding tax just ruins it for the rest of the people as they would go heavier on the tax.
So that those who avoided it vs those who didn't takes the whole weight of what other gain (sewage, water or overall maintenance over things etc)

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