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I'm not voting, fuck both candidates. Bernie Sanders should be president. Fuck the system.
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I laugh at the comments about Obamacare all following the Republican line. Why do the Republicans hate Obamacare? Simple because Insurance Companies getting away with overcharging and lax hospital regulations want them to ...
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http://classic.followthemoney.org//press/ReportView.phtml?r=421&ext=4

Health Insurance Companies Give Healthy Donations to Political Campaigns

WellPoint:

WellPoint "is the largest health benefits company in the United States."2 It was also the largest health insurance contributor to state campaigns. Anthem Blue Cross of California, a WellPoint subsidiary, is a company under attack: it paid a $1 million fine and reinstated over 2,000 customers the state of California said had been improperly dropped from coverage after they became ill, in 2009;3 it faced congressional scrutiny over hefty premium increases in March of 2010,4 and it was called by the California Insurance Commissioner, also in March, to answer charges it violated the law over 700 times.5 Controversy over WellPoint's practices increased when filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission showed that top executive pay shot up as much as 75 percent in 2009. For example, WellPoint gave CEO Angela Braly a pay increase of 51 percent, bringing her total compensation to $13.1 million.6

WellPoint and its subsidiaries gave $4.3 million in the four-year study period 2005–2008. The company gave 42 percent of its total in California ($1.8 million). Almost all of that came from Anthem and Anthem Blue Cross. That money helped finance the California Republican Party ($754,700), the California Democratic Party ($225,000), and Taxpayers for Fair Elections ($195,000)—a ballot measure committee that successfully fought off an attempt to introduce public funding into California campaigns and limit campaign contributions in 2006—as well as many candidates. Overall, WellPoint Inc. gave $3.7 million to partisan candidates and committees. Republicans got a little over two-thirds of the money ($2.5 million).

Republicans got a little over two-thirds of the $3.7 million that Wellpoint gave to partisan candidates and committees

UnitedHealth Group:

UnitedHealth Group and its subsidiaries gave $2.3 million. UnitedHealth Group "serves more than 70 million Americans each year."7 UnitedHealth gave California recipients the most money, $522,800, which is 23 percent of the total they gave. Next in line were Florida recipients, at $419,000, or 19 percent. The largest single recipient, Florida Republican Party, gained $282,500. UnitedHealth gave $2 million to partisan candidates and committees. UnitedHealth favored Republicans 68 percent of time, giving them $1.4 million.


Humana:

Humana and its subsidiaries, "one of the nation’s largest publicly traded health-benefits companies,"8 gave $1.2 million in the study period. Recipients in Florida got 44 percent of that ($508,300). The largest single recipient of Humana's largesse was the Florida Republican Party, at $206,300. Overall, Humana gave $681,554 to Republican candidates and committees, which is 58 percent of the money Humana gave. Humana did not give to nonpartisan candidates or to ballot measure committees.


Aetna:

Aetna and its subsidiaries gave $950,717 to state campaigns. Aetna bills itself as "one of the nation's leaders in health care, dental, pharmacy, group life, and disability insurance, and employee benefits."9 Californians reaped more from Aetna than any other state, at $229,150, or 24 percent. As with Humana, the Florida Republican Party emerged as the top recipient of Aetna's contributions with $91,500. Aetna strongly favored Republicans overall, giving them $641,442, which is 72 percent of the total given by Aetna to partisan candidates and committees.

2. Newsroom, Stats and Facts, Wellpoint.com, available from http://www.wellpoint.com/newsroom/stats_facts.asp, accessed Mar. 3, 2010.
3. Lisa Girion, "Anthem Blue Cross agrees to take back clients, pay $1-million fine," Los Angeles Times, Feb. 11, 2009, available from http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb/11/business/fi-bluecross11, accessed Mar. 5, 2010.
4. "Wellpoint Exec Faces Congress in Premium Increase Probe," The IndyChannel.com, Feb. 23, 2010, available from http://www.theindychannel.com/money/22652671/detail.html, accessed Mar. 5, 2010.
5. Duke Helfand, "Anthem Blue Cross broke law more than 700 times, official says," Los Angeles Times, Feb. 23, 2010, available from http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-anthem-claims23-2010feb23,0,186309.story, accessed Mar. 5, 2010.
6. Duke Helfand and Walter Hamilton, "WellPoint hikes CEO's pay package, Los Angeles Times, April 2, 2010, available from http://articles.latimes.com/2010/apr/02/business/la-fi-wellpoint3-2010apr03, accessed April 5, 2010.
7. UnitedHealth Group "Who We Are," UnitedHealth Group, available from http://www.unitedhealthgroup.com/hrm/UNH101.pdf, accessed Mar. 5, 2010.
8. Newsroom, Humana Press Kit, Humana, available from http://apps.humana.com/marketing/documents.asp?file=1300572, accessed Mar. 5, 2010.
9. Aetna Facts, Aetna, available from http://www.aetna.com/about-aetna-insurance/aetna-corporate-profile/facts.html, accessed Mar. 30, 2010.

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Now onto Trump's PHONY tax plan...

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/05/17/Experts-Weigh-Donald-Trump-s-Tax-Plan-and-Find-It-Wanting

This part reads the best...

"An analysis of the plan by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center found that the Trump plan was disproportionately beneficial to the wealthy, and would greatly increase the national debt.

“His proposal would cut taxes at all income levels, although the largest benefits, in dollar and percentage terms, would go to the highest-income households,” the TPC analysis found. “The plan would reduce federal revenues by $9.5 trillion over its first decade before accounting for added interest costs or considering macroeconomic feedback effects. The plan would improve incentives to work, save, and invest. However, unless it is accompanied by very large spending cuts, it could increase the national debt by nearly 80 percent of gross domestic product by 2036, offsetting some or all of the incentive effects of the tax cuts.”"

So in essence the Master of Bankruptcy would Bankrupt the U.S. with his tax plan and he'd come out with a 19% personal tax cut and a 20% Corporate Tax-cut for his businesses which by past experience he'll just move overseas like he has the work that could be going to American workers he claims to want to help.
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To avoid paying taxes, liberal icon Bruce Springsteen lists his occupation as 'farmer' on his NJ tax returns. Hypocrisy in action.
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The middle class would be able to keep a lot of money in their own pockets if Trump gets elected.
Trump 2016! #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Hillary for Prison 2016
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KurdishSenpai wrote:

I'm not voting, fuck both candidates. Bernie Sanders should be president. Fuck the system.


If you want to **** the system you should at least consider voting 3rd party.

Is the 3rd party going to win, most likely not, but if a 3rd party gets at least 10% of the national vote they start receiving federal funding, and if they start getting 15%-20% our joke of a media will have to start including them in national debates.
The faster we can get a viable 3rd party the faster the system will HAVE to change.
(I know a lot of Bernie people looking at Jill Stein of the Green Party for example)
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SupersunZeratul wrote:


KurdishSenpai wrote:

I'm not voting, fuck both candidates. Bernie Sanders should be president. Fuck the system.


If you want to **** the system you should at least consider voting 3rd party.

Is the 3rd party going to win, most likely not, but if a 3rd party gets at least 10% of the national vote they start receiving federal funding, and if they start getting 15%-20% our joke of a media will have to start including them in national debates.
The faster we can get a viable 3rd party the faster the system will HAVE to change.
(I know a lot of Bernie people looking at Jill Stein of the Green Party for example)


^ He has a point there. If you have no interest in voting just vote 3rd party, leave all non third party selections blank, and it will make both the democrats and republicans get really nervous. If one of them gets enough votes the dems and repubs will be in trouble of losing tons of members.
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If your taxes are that bad and you can't afford free healthcare then something is wrong.



People could afford healthcare on their own if democrats stop taxing the crap out of people.


you do realize the Senate and Congress is mostly republican at the moment, right?

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...and the people behind her totally cheered.

Heck they'd cheer even if she said she'd kill them all and feed them to the lions.

"...and I'll kill you all and feed you to the lions!"

*cheers*
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descloud wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

If your taxes are that bad and you can't afford free healthcare then something is wrong.



People could afford healthcare on their own if democrats stop taxing the crap out of people.


you do realize the Senate and Congress is mostly republican at the moment, right?



And they passed a bigger budget than when they didn't have control of the Senete...

If you live in Wisconsin CD-01 please vote for Paul Nehlen in your primary in a few days so we can get Mr. Omnibus Paul Ryan out of Congress :/

This 2016 is RINO hunting season :|

(If you live in Arizona you can also vote for Dr. Kelli Ward over Gang of 8 John McCain)
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Rujikin wrote:

"fairer rules for the middle class"


We are going to write fairer rules for the middle class and we are going to raise taxes on the middle class


So middle class, Y U NO PAY FAIR SHARE OF TAXES PAY MORE!!!


This is what happens when you pull your video from a conservative attack website.

What Mrs. Clinton says is "We are going to write fairer rules for the middle class and we aren't going to raise taxes on the middle class.

If you listen carefully to the audio that is what she says. It is just the subtitles that say something different. Which is par for the course for any conservative attack ad I suppose. To be fair she has something of an accent which makes it difficult to hear. But if you close your eyes and just listen you can clearly hear the "Aren't". You clearly hear the T at the end.

So just a Trump attack ad to make someone else seem like they are saying something they did not, in order to divert attention from what he actually did say.
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Rujikin wrote:

"fairer rules for the middle class"


We are going to write fairer rules for the middle class and we are going to raise taxes on the middle class


So middle class, Y U NO PAY FAIR SHARE OF TAXES PAY MORE!!!


This is what happens when you pull your video from a conservative attack website.

What Mrs. Clinton says is "We are going to write fairer rules for the middle class and we aren't going to raise taxes on the middle class.

If you listen carefully to the audio that is what she says. It is just the subtitles that say something different. Which is par for the course for any conservative attack ad I suppose. To be fair she has something of an accent which makes it difficult to hear. But if you close your eyes and just listen you can clearly hear the "Aren't". You clearly hear the T at the end.

So just a Trump attack ad to make someone else seem like they are saying something they did not, in order to divert attention from what he actually did say.


I have ears. I can tell the difference between are and aren't. Unless she has some weird accent where n't is silent then she said ARE.

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Rujikin wrote:

I have ears. I can tell the difference between are and aren't. Unless she has some weird accent where n't is silent then she said ARE.



Phonetic Analysis says otherwise.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/05/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrongly-says-hillary-clinton-wants-ra/
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Honestly, it can sound like either, and Politifact calling Trump a liar for that is a bit dishonest since virtually half the internet also thought she said that she was going to raise taxes on the middle class. I mean honestly listen to it yourself...you can hear it both ways pretty easily because if she did add that t in aren't she did a terrible job of accenting it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ua13_gYQn0

That being said, even if she did say that it's clear from the transcript on her website that she meant we aren't going to raise taxes on the middle class.


Trump wants to cut taxes for the super-rich. Well, we’re not going there, my friends. I’m telling you right now we’re going to write fairer rules for the middle class, and we aren’t going to raise taxes on the middle class.

(https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/updates/2016/08/01/in-omaha-hillary-clinton-touts-100-day-jobs-plan/)

Not that it matters in the slightest since Hillary Clinton is a habitual liar anyway, and if she does have plans on raising taxes on the middle class she'd have no qualms lying about it if telling the truth would hurt her poll numbers so unless it was a freudian slip she probably just mispoke if anything.

(The Left does plenty of this as well, I mean "Donald Trump called Mexican's rapists" is a big example of abusing a poor way of phrasing something even though the intent was clear from the speech)
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I never went to a public school, and I can read and write. You certainly won't argue that public schools give people a good education will you..................................................................... Because I'd love to hear that one. Are you aware that the government didn't invent cars? private people did. In fact, private people at private companies still make cars. You don't sincerely think that building roads requires the government do you? Will you attempt to explain how it is possible that private people were able to build cars, but private people would be unable to figure out what would make it easy to drive those cars they build around to different places? holy loss of all logic................ I think you may be a good example of why public education is not good.

The united states has done between 50 and 75 percent of the entire worlds medical research spending every year for the last 100 years. Where do you think the doctors of the world get the means to improve the health of people from? Why do you think that medical treatment is better now than it was 5, or 10, or 50 years ago? Where do the improvements come from? the government? or private companies? It's such an incredible failure of understanding to claim that state subsidized health care systems in countries outside the united states work well. If canadians already have "free" state subsidized health care in canada, then why do canadians come to the united states for health care? In fact, if state subsidization actually worked, then why just subsidize some things? Health care only makes up 20% of the US's gdp, how about we subsidize 100% of it's gdp? wouldn't that just make everything better? The government should provide internet, housing, food, clothing, transportation, education, entertainment, and absoutely everything else available, and tax everyone at 99% of their income. Wouldn't everything be better then? It would be exactly like the former soviet unions system, and we could live in paradise!
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KurdishSenpai wrote:

I'm not voting, fuck both candidates. Bernie Sanders should be president. Fuck the system.


Brolo, there are already democratic socialist countries, you don't need Bernie Sanders or to fuck our system. Buy yourself a ticket to Venezuela and you'll be all set.

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