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If you read the article, the football dude says that if only young black men would step up and take care of their "biological responsibility" it would solve the teen pregnancy problem.

I was being sarcastic by quoting a multi-millionaire who thinks it's as easy as "stepping up" to take care of a kid when you're still in high school.
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Oh, this again. These points are as old as "______ are coming to rape our women", "______ want to rape our children", and "what's to stop people from getting married to goats if we allow Interracial Marriage". Seriously, all they do is replace "black" with any ethnic group and use it for clickbait. Women have been aborting for millennia, and it's never been about genocide. The distaste these people have for abortion is also a big reason why midwives were made an illegal practice, and partly due to Indian (India) women consuming a plant to cause miscarriages because they couldn't afford to have any more children that appalled men of European decent.

And, no. People will have as much sexy-times as they want no matter how much you plead to them to stop having kids, and no "but, if you do/don't so this magic" explanation will solve it.

Pro-life/forced-birth is and always will devolve into being only about "feels", and nothing involving realism.


Arent the "Pro" lifers also for death sentence and literal understandings of the bible? Its not very "pro" life.


Women in the United States are split pretty evenly between pro-life and pro-abortion. So no you can't actually group pro-lifers together nice and neatly in your guys little generalization. I think it is far more you two, who are making this "devolve into being only about feels".
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Women in the United States are split pretty evenly between pro-life and pro-abortion. So no you can't actually group pro-lifers together nice and neatly in your guys little generalization. I think it is far more you two, who are making this "devolve into being only about feels".


Yeah that may be true, but i have to look it through my standpoint.

And i dont want to be forced christianity down my throat.
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Pretty much. At least the ones controlling it are, most def.


Sounds like some big hypocrites.


"It's God's will, and a woman's place is serving her husband by popping out kids and sandwiches", or something like that. Literally, I'm not joking...
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muscular Christianity? What is that?

NFL? What is that?

Cant google currently, have weird monitor setup.


NFL is the National Football League, the sports federation that governs professional level American football.

Muscular Christianity was a 19th century movement which closely associated piety and spiritual health with physical health.

The positive side of this was encouraging people (but mostly men) to be physically active and fit.
The negative side is that it led many people to associate health conditions with moral failings; essentially blaming victims for their health problems because they were not moral enough.

Anti-abortion activism in the United States has been influenced by this moral stance. Whereas theological arguments about Abortion typically refer to Ensoulment doctrine, in the United States many religious anti-abortion activists give sociological reasons rather than spiritual ones; with the end point of the argument being that abortion will lead to moral decay of society or even being "outbred" into extinction.

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muscular Christianity? What is that?

NFL? What is that?

Cant google currently, have weird monitor setup.


NFL is the National Football League, the sports federation that governs professional level American football.

Muscular Christianity was a 19th century movement which closely associated piety and spiritual health with physical health.

The positive side of this was encouraging people (but mostly men) to be physically active and fit.
The negative side is that it led many people to associate health conditions with moral failings; essentially blaming victims for their health problems because they were not moral enough.

Anti-abortion activism in the United States has been influenced by this moral stance. Whereas theological arguments about Abortion typically refer to Ensoulment doctrine, in the United States many religious anti-abortion activists give sociological reasons rather than spiritual ones; with the end point of the argument being that abortion will lead to moral decay of society or even being "outbred" into extinction.



Ahh okay.

I just hope it wont be enforced by law.
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You are showing your bias by saying "pro-life" and "pro-abortion".

The correct terms are "pro welfare" and "pro wrestling".
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You are showing your bias by saying "pro-life" and "pro-abortion".

The correct terms are "pro welfare" and "pro wrestling".


Oh i am biased by that.

I dont want christians to rule my life.

But i dont get the correct terms...
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Women in the United States are split pretty evenly between pro-life and pro-abortion. So no you can't actually group pro-lifers together nice and neatly in your guys little generalization. I think it is far more you two, who are making this "devolve into being only about feels".


Yeah that may be true, but i have to look it through my standpoint.

And i dont want to be forced christianity down my throat.


It isn't a maybe, it is an accurate fact. You do have to look through your own experience and own perspective but you've been posting a lot of stuff about christianity in bold blanket statements, it can't all be the Christians fault though. I am not saying don't have your opinion but it's unfair to pin on these things on christianity and doubly so when there are so many different off shoots of it with different beliefs. It just becomes a bias that works against creating a more educated opinion. Just my two cents.
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Well, that's because I was being completely non-serious. It never pays to be serious in arguments about abortion, after all, it's an argument for babies.

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It isn't a maybe, it is an accurate fact. You do have to look through your own experience and own perspective but you've been posting a lot of stuff about christianity in bold blanket statements, it can't all be the Christians fault though. I am not saying don't have your opinion but it's unfair to pin on these things on christianity and doubly so when there are so many different off shoots of it with different beliefs. It just becomes a bias that works against creating a more educated opinion. Just my two cents.


Oh yeah i do tend to group people, its my weak side.

I know a 2 christians who are very kind and friendly.

But i am genuinly afraid of the right wing christians.
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Punk_Mela wrote:


Jophar_Vorin wrote:


Punk_Mela wrote:

Women in the United States are split pretty evenly between pro-life and pro-abortion. So no you can't actually group pro-lifers together nice and neatly in your guys little generalization. I think it is far more you two, who are making this "devolve into being only about feels".


Yeah that may be true, but i have to look it through my standpoint.

And i dont want to be forced christianity down my throat.


It isn't a maybe, it is an accurate fact. You do have to look through your own experience and own perspective but you've been posting a lot of stuff about christianity in bold blanket statements, it can't all be the Christians fault though. I am not saying don't have your opinion but it's unfair to pin on these things on christianity and doubly so when there are so many different off shoots of it with different beliefs. It just becomes a bias that works against creating a more educated opinion. Just my two cents.


Oh yeah i do tend to group people, its my weak side.

I know a 2 christians who are very kind and friendly.

But i am genuinly afraid of the right wing christians.


That's good, learning to live with differences is never a bad thing. You seem like a pretty open minded person with a lot of questions about policy and government, I hope that doesn't change in you.
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Punk_Mela wrote:

That's good, learning to live with differences is never a bad thing. You seem like a pretty open minded person with a lot of questions about policy and government, I hope that doesn't change in you.


Yeah i do find it very interesting!

Oh i love to imagine different scenarios! Its fun!
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Prohibitionist tactics are failures, and the best success has been with education, government subsidized contraception, and ease of access to an abortion. They often reject this and continually use misinformation, _____ genocide, Holocaust comparisons, pleas for people to think of how many potential Micheal Jacksons may have never been born, et cetera. And, again this all started with, in the USA at least, being aghast at women causing miscarriages with herbal medicines. They do this in spite of the real world saying "this isn't helping anyone" every single time. It's entirely about pride and feels and the need to control women.
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These are the arguments you hear because these are the arguments you look feel are ridiculous and like to look for. It isn't even close to the entire pro-life ideology, and is only an example of what I said about your feelings making you biased. But I don't see you open to any action discussion without you biting at the bit to respond about why everyone else is being feely and emotional. Deuces.

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