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You know, Planned Parenthood isn't just all about obtaining birth control or getting abortions.

They do a lot in regards to women's health...and everyone getting all hyped up about how evil PP is pisses me off. Shut them down and you're really dooming a lot of poor folks.

I consider myself to be prochoice...though personally? I couldn't bring myself to get an abortion unless my fetus was ill and wouldn't survive out of the womb. However, it's not my business nor anyone else's to tell anyone what to do with their own body.

I do agree with the poster above though; if you're gonna have a kid...then be prepared as much as possible.
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dougeprofile wrote:

Abortion hasn't lowered crime or poverty, that is completely untrue.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk6gOeggViw

Uh-huh...

Originally, the first time I heard about it was in a series of Stanford University lectures that I listened to on youtube, but the theory does make a lot of sense sociologically.


Just not in reality ...except in the wacky land of YouTube
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I don't think you can say for a fact that the founding purpose of planned parenthood was to exterminate blacks; but it's no secret that Margret Sanger hated blacks, liked Hitler, and was pro-eugenics.
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I don't think you can say for a fact that the founding purpose of planned parenthood was to exterminate blacks; but it's no secret that Margret Sanger hated blacks, liked Hitler, and was pro-eugenics.


Sanger on Germany:

"All the news from Germany is sad & horrible," she wrote in 1933, "and to me more dangerous than any other war going on any where because it has so many good people who applaud the atrocities & claim its right. The sudden antagonism in Germany against the Jews & the vitriolic hatred of them is spreading underground here & is far more dangerous than the aggressive policy of the Japanese in Manchuria."

She joined the American Council Against Nazi Propaganda and "gave money, my name and any influence I had with writers and others, to combat Hitler's rise to power in Germany." ("World War II and World Peace," 1940) For Hitler the feeling was mutual; in 1933 the Nazis burned Sanger's books along with those of Ellis, Freud, German sexologist Magnus Hirschfeld, and others.

To say she was Pro-Hitler seems like a bit of a stretch.

Like I said before, there is a lot of misinformation. Fact checking is your friend.


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Just not in reality ...except in the wacky land of YouTube


Do you know who Levitt is?
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All right, I'll admit I was wrong on the Hitler part.
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All right, I'll admit I was wrong on the Hitler part.


Now, may I ask where you are getting the idea that she hated blacks?

While there were concerted efforts to increase the presence of PP in largely black areas, this was done to meet a need, not out of hatred. As Sanger said, she hoped to help "a group notoriously underprivileged and handicapped to a large measure by a ‘caste' system that operates as an added weight upon their efforts to get a fair share of the better things in life. To give them the means of helping themselves is perhaps the richest gift of all. We believe birth control knowledge brought to this group, is the most direct, constructive aid that can be given them to improve their immediate situation."
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I get the impression that she hated blacks because of some of the things she said.

On the extermination of blacks:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

Granted, she doesn't outright say she hates blacks. It can well enough be inferred though.
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Margaret Sanger was not racist; she was classist. She wanted to thin the ranks of the underclasses, especially criminals and delinquents.

From a 1957 interview with Mike Wallace:

I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world--that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically. Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they're born. That to me is the greatest sin -- that people can -- can commit..


Although given the crime problem in certain minority communities today that could be interpreted as racist.

Interview: http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/multimedia/video/2008/wallace/sanger_margaret_t.html
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Do you know who Levitt is?

Yes, I also Googled people who refuted him. My favorite article wasn't sure whether abortion reduced crime by 50% or 25%, but was sure it did; I found all that theorizing utterly unconvincing.


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Ah, I totally forgot about the resurrection effect, where, when you kill a murderer, all of their victims come back to life.

Yea, forgot about that one myself; certainly prevents them from killing again! It also gives prosecutors leverage in finding bodies; for not being effective these murderers fight awfully hard to stay alive.

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Heknon wrote:

I get the impression that she hated blacks because of some of the things she said.

On the extermination of blacks:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

Granted, she doesn't outright say she hates blacks. It can well enough be inferred though.


Thats why I asked people to fact check themselves.

The first quote is a misunderstanding. She is basically saying that she doesn't want a false rumor to spread which would eliminate the good that they believe they can do for the community.

The second quote is...well, chopped up. But even still, it is a misquote. The phrase "human weeds" never actually occurs in Pivot of Civilization. She does use the term "human undergrowth" but it doesn't refer to any particular race or class. Same with the phrase "reckless breeders". It is not used to refer to any race or class. And the same with the third quote there. Not referring to any particular class or race. It should come as no surprise that someone who is fundamentally pro birth control would (rightfully) believe in the detriments of "reckless breeding".

And the third quote...Unfortunately it isn't actually a quote. When only one word is in quotations, it is incredibly hard to both fact check it, and take it seriously. Looking through an archive of Sanger's works, there are no transcriptions of speeches from 1923. (https://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/webedition/app/documents/search.php)

Overall, Sanger makes it clear that she seeks to do good for the black community, and this shows through many of her quotations (including the one I posted before) as well as her relationship with civil rights leaders including Martin Luther King Jr..


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sundin13 wrote:

Do you know who Levitt is?

Yes, I also Googled people who refuted him. My favorite article wasn't sure whether abortion reduced crime by 50% or 25%, but was sure it did; I found all that theorizing utterly unconvincing.



So you know that claiming that his scope of influence is limited to Youtube is incredibly disingenuous? Good.
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I see the "race card" has been pulled yet again, as if we don't hear enough nonsense about that these days. I'd go on, but I don't really think Watson's claim is worth dignifying with a response.
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sundin13 wrote:
So you know that claiming that his scope of influence is limited to Youtube is incredibly disingenuous? Good.


Since I never claimed that, yeah.
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Nogara-san wrote:

You know, Planned Parenthood isn't just all about obtaining birth control or getting abortions.

They do a lot in regards to women's health...and everyone getting all hyped up about how evil PP is pisses me off. Shut them down and you're really dooming a lot of poor folks.

I consider myself to be prochoice...though personally? I couldn't bring myself to get an abortion unless my fetus was ill and wouldn't survive out of the womb. However, it's not my business nor anyone else's to tell anyone what to do with their own body.

I do agree with the poster above though; if you're gonna have a kid...then be prepared as much as possible.


I share that regard. I couldn't abort in most any case, though I wouldn't restrict in any other case either. It had to be a lifetime of pain and suffering, and extreme pain or suffering.

Like in Elfen Lied where a Dicloni girl was turned into a human GPS and stuffed in a backpack with her limbs torn off and subsisting off a life support system.
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