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Posted 8/8/16 , edited 8/8/16
They'll learn the error of their ways in hell.
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Im not a religious guy, I dont really have any theistic beliefs. but when i get the religious folk talking to me and asking me about their ways and if i believe, Im usually honest, and i give them my beliefs, we usually meet in the middle and both agree its all beautiful.

Part of what we have to do is relate and think in their shoes. they're spreading something they love like how we preach good animes, they just want to share. but we can all agree on that this whole thing is beautiful. with religion, or without, this world/universe is a very amazing place.

I hate to see people being silly with their beliefs all you can do is tell people how you see it, and try to see it they way they do. and try your best to meet in the middle. Things feel a lot happier and hopeful.

Sorry, I kinda ranted and there might not be really any structure to what i said.


Tl;dr Alcknowledge eachother


Agreed. So much energy is spent trying to exert dominance over one another. That is the origin of conflict.
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It would be nice if people would just learn to accept that there are a vast number of religions that exist and that theirs is not the "right" one. Forcing their own religion unto others or instilling unnecessary/unjust fear will only dampen the reputation of their beliefs. Be proud of your own thoughts and beliefs, but there's no need to devalue or disrespect someone else's with conflict. You're not getting anywhere with your forcefulness, nor are you making the reputation of your religion any better.

If people were more keen on doing their research and being open with other ideas, there would be a lot more respect and positive vibes all around. Sadly, this doesn't and most likely will never happen.

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I was always under the impression that the Good Without God campaign was meant to bring more understanding about how atheists can be good people despite what many preachers would have you believe, rather than deconverting believers.

Generalizations from both sides are no bueno.

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HollowVoices wrote:

I was always under the impression that the Good Without God campaign was meant to bring more understanding about how atheists can be good people despite what many preachers would have you believe, rather than deconverting believers.

Generalizations from both sides are no bueno.



ya thats my take on it as well
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Most atheists believe these lessons are ultimately irreligious, and that religion complicate things even more so with rules against homosexuality and transgender, the belief in creationism, etc. I don't see where it says humility is ultimately a virtue found in religion.


Well, people do tend to get that impressions from quotes thrown about spreading ideas about "some of the first shall be last", and "meek inheriting the earth", and "striking kings from their thrones" and rich people giving all their goods to the poor, a lotta Bernie Sanders crap like that...
Everyone knows the whole book's just a lot of OT propaganda about Why Gay People Are The Devil, so let's go make a new one that likes gays!


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But the very concept of Humility--which many forms of Christianity teach as the fundament of its theology, even if you have to wash somebody's feet to do it--must first involve speaking a quote that is heretical anathema to atheists, and which would morally gall them to their very soul spirit to utter:
"Oops, I was wrong. My bad. "

To speak these words is to clean one's spiritual slate and invite Learning. But it brings with them the consequences of speaking it.


Hm? Aren't you going into it with quite a bit of arrogance by assuming that you're correct and saying that atheists must first admit that there is a god before you'd consider them to be speaking with you humbly?


No, I'm suggesting that atheists who go in with the Four Arguments they've had since kids, which they wield at the world like a sword, try first actually, just as a precaution, fact-checking those ideas with other theological round-table friends whether those ideas might actually be accurate, or instead just grievously skewed misinterpretations on their own part that they blamed the rest of the world for. (And by "rest of the world", of course, they meant "their parents"). Nobody wants to be perceived as having their facts wrong in public after the rant, that might end up in one accused of being a jackass....An ounce of prevention, and all that. ;)
(Eg. "You believers just want to escape the wienie-roast in Hell!"...Uh, actually most middle-of-the-road sects discarded the idea of Hell twenty or thirty years ago, where've you been?)

They want to attack people who they think cling to "outdated unproven ideas" and being "too closed-minded to accept the new ideas of the world", and yet have never once explored taking their own interpretations out for a punishing test drive for the risk they might not survive...Wasn't the word "Hypocrite" thrown about in the NT a bit?
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It would be nice if people would just learn to accept that there are a vast number of religions that exist and that theirs is not the "right" one. Forcing their own religion unto others or instilling unnecessary/unjust fear will only dampen the reputation of their beliefs. Be proud of your own thoughts and beliefs, but there's no need to devalue or disrespect someone else's with conflict. You're not getting anywhere with your forcefulness, nor are you making the reputation of your religion any better.

If people were more keen on doing their research and being open with other ideas, there would be a lot more respect and positive vibes all around. Sadly, this doesn't and most likely will never happen.



not sure how you expect everyone who believes certain things to go out and say "oh what i believe isn't the only 'right' per say and what you believe even though it is in contradiction with what i believe can also be 'right'"

granted, some religions can do that, others can't.
taking someone thinking you're wrong based on what religion they believe as a personal insult is just dumb.
people trying to share their religion ,something which obviously brings them joy or they wouldn't want to share, with you shouldn't be anything to get upset about either.

granted my religion says that we're all going to hell without Jesus. maybe not the most tactful way to tell people why they need Jesus nor the best reason but it is a reason. it's also not a comment on how good a person is so much as a statement that none of us are perfect and we've all done things wrong.
what the heck is a "good" person anyway? i doubt it will ever actually get agreed on. i'm sure there's some nut bars somewhere who would call some suicide bombers good people. i disagree with them. heck in the end i think the best anyone can do (right behind loving God according to my beliefs) is just try to love each other and we don't actually have to agree in order to do that.




also, i fail to see how science and religion can't coexist or how it rules out creationism rather than just offering an explanation towards the method used for creation.
billions of years, 7 days... who the heck cares. time is relative. crap, i could outlive you all by just by flying into a black hole... not that i'd actually realize it... and since for some reason both major political parties in the US ended up ruling out their best candidates i'm sure there's plenty of people living here in the states that are finding that to be a much more attractive thought than it once was.
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A few years back there was a big push by the American Humanist Association to get the Good without God campaign up and running to rid America of religion.


A few more years back there was a big push by Joseph Goebbels to get the Final Solution up and running to rid Germany of Jews.

Even MORE years back, there was a big push by Fernando de Aragon to get the Spanish Inquisition up and running to rid Spain of heretics.

And hey, there's been a whole lot of that in world history. It's reasonably common for bigoted arseholes to start some project or other to make sure some place or other is cleansed of the people they don't like. The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, the Cultural Revolution in China, the Armenian Genocide of the Ottoman Empire, the Great Purge of Stalinist Russia... it never seems to end, does it?

Why, it's almost like letting people think for themselves and believe what they want is TOO HARD.
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Well I am an atheist.

I recall someone dropping money on the stairwell. It looked like a hefty amount too. He didn't even notice and there was nobody else around. So I picked it up. Walked up the stairs. Padded him on the shoulder telling him he dropped his money and gave it to him. He thanked me and we went to our classes.

I know in my heart what I did was good. And didn't need to believe in a god or gods to know I did the right thing.

So I approve of this campaign.
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MysticGon wrote:

A few years back there was a big push by the American Humanist Association to get the Good without God campaign up and running to rid America of religion.


A few more years back there was a big push by Joseph Goebbels to get the Final Solution up and running to rid Germany of Jews.

Even MORE years back, there was a big push by Fernando de Aragon to get the Spanish Inquisition up and running to rid Spain of heretics.


And at the moment, there's a big push by DC fans up and running to rid the country of movie critics.

(Which keeps getting compared to the guy who wants to get rid of Mexicans and Muslims.)
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MysticGon wrote:

A few years back there was a big push by the American Humanist Association to get the Good without God campaign up and running to rid America of religion.


A few more years back there was a big push by Joseph Goebbels to get the Final Solution up and running to rid Germany of Jews.

Even MORE years back, there was a big push by Fernando de Aragon to get the Spanish Inquisition up and running to rid Spain of heretics.

And hey, there's been a whole lot of that in world history. It's reasonably common for bigoted arseholes to start some project or other to make sure some place or other is cleansed of the people they don't like. The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, the Cultural Revolution in China, the Armenian Genocide of the Ottoman Empire, the Great Purge of Stalinist Russia... it never seems to end, does it?

Why, it's almost like letting people think for themselves and believe what they want is TOO HARD.


Oh gee, I'm a fucking Nazi apparently.
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And at the moment, there's a big push by DC fans up and running to rid the country of movie critics.


Why? Does anybody care?

I mean, some humourless twat goes and sees the latest superhero movie, and comes back saying something like "it's so horribly written, it reminded me of a comic book."

DUH.

I prefer to get the opinions of people that like the same kind of things I do. I have a friend who plays a lot of videogames. He almost exclusively plays squad-based multiplayer stuff. I hate that stuff. I like the guy, I trust his opinion on games, but we just don't like the same kind of games. He plays a lot of Payday 2. I play a lot of Anno 2070.
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cdarklock wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

A few years back there was a big push by the American Humanist Association to get the Good without God campaign up and running to rid America of religion.


A few more years back there was a big push by Joseph Goebbels to get the Final Solution up and running to rid Germany of Jews.

Even MORE years back, there was a big push by Fernando de Aragon to get the Spanish Inquisition up and running to rid Spain of heretics.

And hey, there's been a whole lot of that in world history. It's reasonably common for bigoted arseholes to start some project or other to make sure some place or other is cleansed of the people they don't like. The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, the Cultural Revolution in China, the Armenian Genocide of the Ottoman Empire, the Great Purge of Stalinist Russia... it never seems to end, does it?


Oh gee, I'm a fucking Nazi apparently.


For blaming every one of your own private social frustrations on a nationwide faceless religious conspiracy of people apparently united "against you" to turn the laws of their country for their own benefit, and recommending a federally implemented system of removal, rather than open debate, to preemptively prevent any of those imagined changes, in order to speed the country's "modern progressiveness", umm, yeah. Apparentlies.
At least, one does rather jump unfairly to the comparison.
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shit another religion thread how many is that I've lost count.
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No, I'm suggesting that atheists who go in with the Four Arguments they've had since kids, which they wield at the world like a sword, try first actually, just as a precaution, fact-checking those ideas with other theological round-table friends whether those ideas might actually be accurate, or instead just grievously skewed misinterpretations on their own part that they blamed the rest of the world for. (And by "rest of the world", of course, they meant "their parents"). Nobody wants to be perceived as having their facts wrong in public after the rant, that might end up in one accused of being a jackass....An ounce of prevention, and all that. ;)
(Eg. "You believers just want to escape the wienie-roast in Hell!"...Uh, actually most middle-of-the-road sects discarded the idea of Hell twenty or thirty years ago, where've you been?)

They want to attack people who they think cling to "outdated unproven ideas" and being "too closed-minded to accept the new ideas of the world", and yet have never once explored taking their own interpretations out for a punishing test drive for the risk they might not survive...Wasn't the word "Hypocrite" thrown about in the NT a bit?


Your criticism of atheists, or more likely, an atheist you know, seems to be missing any semblance of sense. Why would anyone who is atheist need to fact-check their "Four Arguments", whatever those are, with people who are knowledgeable about theology to determine whether they are accurate or not? If looking for a geological history of the Earth, most logical people would go to a geologist rather than a pastor or a priest. Looking for an explanation of evolution? Most would go to a biologist rather than a local pastor. Getting your car fixed? You'd see a mechanic instead of a priest.

Regardless of why someone may be blaming the world for something, how does the target of their blame become their parents instead? You seem rather fixated on this person that you keep describing to us. Belittling them as you feel they've belittled you and your beliefs, hence attributing their atheism to a child or teen's temper tantrum rather than any logical reason. What exactly would a "middle-of-the-road" sect be? It's news to me that 20-30 years ago the idea of Hell was discarded. Mind linking any denominations that don't believe in a hell, instead believing only in a heaven? Or do these denominations believe in neither a heaven nor hell?

Mind mentioning what these "interpretations" are that this person should take out for a test drive? Using allusions, yet no definitions, when you're trying to paint a picture of all atheists being this one person that you know doesn't further any argument. Based on your posts though, he does seem to be the pot to your kettle.
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