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Posted 8/8/16 , edited 8/15/16

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For blaming every one of your own social frustrations on a nationwide faceless religious conspiracy of people apparently united "against you" to turn the laws of their country for their own benefit, and recommending an implemented system of removal rather than open debate, umm, yeah.


When have I blamed my frustrations on the religious masses, or have voiced publicly declared the removal of religion a panacea to the world's problems?

Where have I suggested, or rather the AHA, a system of removal, whether it be siphoning of political clout to gas chambers? From what Wikipedia to SPLC tells me, it neither registers as a hate group or have been known for "extremism". In fact, I've found very little.

Now you could be right. This could be a radical turn to eradicate religion, because I know little about the AHA in all honesty, but from what it appears it does not appear to be all that radical, but a dissemination of ideas, or more known as a form of propaganda in your probable view. I fail to see the problem of this, or with what the KKK has been leaving on our neighbors door handles every now and then.
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It would be nice if people would just learn to accept that there are a vast number of religions that exist and that theirs is not the "right" one. Forcing their own religion unto others or instilling unnecessary/unjust fear will only dampen the reputation of their beliefs. Be proud of your own thoughts and beliefs, but there's no need to devalue or disrespect someone else's with conflict. You're not getting anywhere with your forcefulness, nor are you making the reputation of your religion any better.

If people were more keen on doing their research and being open with other ideas, there would be a lot more respect and positive vibes all around. Sadly, this doesn't and most likely will never happen.



not sure how you expect everyone who believes certain things to go out and say "oh what i believe isn't the only 'right' per say and what you believe even though it is in contradiction with what i believe can also be 'right'"

granted, some religions can do that, others can't.
taking someone thinking you're wrong based on what religion they believe as a personal insult is just dumb.
people trying to share their religion ,something which obviously brings them joy or they wouldn't want to share, with you shouldn't be anything to get upset about either.

granted my religion says that we're all going to hell without Jesus. maybe not the most tactful way to tell people why they need Jesus nor the best reason but it is a reason. it's also not a comment on how good a person is so much as a statement that none of us are perfect and we've all done things wrong.
what the heck is a "good" person anyway? i doubt it will ever actually get agreed on. i'm sure there's some nut bars somewhere who would call some suicide bombers good people. i disagree with them. heck in the end i think the best anyone can do (right behind loving God according to my beliefs) is just try to love each other and we don't actually have to agree in order to do that.




also, i fail to see how science and religion can't coexist or how it rules out creationism rather than just offering an explanation towards the method used for creation.
billions of years, 7 days... who the heck cares. time is relative. crap, i could outlive you all by just by flying into a black hole... not that i'd actually realize it... and since for some reason both major political parties in the US ended up ruling out their best candidates i'm sure there's plenty of people living here in the states that are finding that to be a much more attractive thought than it once was.



You should be unsure, I have zero expectations for ALL people to become open-minded. Not a single religion is the ultimate religion, nor is a single one superior to another. Even the absence of belief in religion is no more superior than any single religion that existed in the past, this present day, or even in the future. You have all the right on this planet to believe as much as you like that your religion is right, because that is the thought you manifest within yourself. Everyone else around you has all the right on this planet to agree or to disagree with you.

I simply said, "It would be nice."

But that's never going to happen in a 3-dimensional world.

Everyone who believes or disbelieves also has the right to do their own research, gain appreciation or apprehension, to participate or avoid in the beliefs that any particular institute of religion emphasizes. I am nowhere near upset, I could care less how many times religion has been forced upon me, because I follow what I want to follow. If it brings you joy, more power to you. The joy and the positive aspects would likely be a better method of attracting attention to one's religion, rather than condescending philosophical insult.

Stay proud of your beliefs, and if possible, as you have done above be sure to mention that it is according to your beliefs or religion. If people could do that, it could reduce the amount of abrasiveness on the internet and in real life.
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How did the U.S., the most religious of all the western countries, turn into the most morally bankrupt of all the western countries?

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How did the U.S., the most religious of all the western countries, turn into the most morally bankrupt of all the western countries?



I honestly don't know but it does concern me.
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Where have I suggested, or rather the AHA, a system of removal


Well, it's implied by the part where the only thing I said about Nazis was that they wanted to eliminate the Jews.

If you're "apparently" a Nazi because of my post, you must also want to eliminate the Jews.

Unless, of course, you just didn't pay very much attention and responded to something you made up instead of what I actually said.

And if that's not against the rules, it doesn't matter whether you said something, we can all just make something up and pretend you said it.
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[Your criticism of atheists, or more likely, an atheist you know, seems to be missing any semblance of sense. Why would anyone who is atheist need to fact-check their "Four Arguments", whatever those are,


Oh, that--That's the old joke about how you can birdwatch-guide which traumatic childhood an atheist had by which "weapon" of choice he uses:
1) is usually the kid whose mom died of cancer when they were six, and they're the "Hitman God with his scope-rifle" whiners who go into the whole "Why does God not stop more evil in the world?" act.
2) tends to be the parental/sexual abuse cases who talk about "hypocrisy" and "conspiracies" a lot, and claim that every Catholic priest who ever wore a collar was buggering fourth graders in the choir,
3) is more often than not the Red State victims who were forced to memorize all the OT verses in state-church school verbatim, think that every single religion on the planet are the Southern Baptists, and embarrass themselves trying to go micro-trivia text-nitpicking to heckle everyone else with scientific deconstructions of Noah's Ark and Creation, when most modern Protestant sects in the 21st century don't even pay attention to those anymore,
And 4) just lumps in all the lapsed Catholics and UK Anglicans who were never taught anything about Protestantism and thought they'd found "the flaw in all religion" because they'd found the one in their own, and all the disgruntled gays who think the entire world still pays attention to Leviticus. No, seriously, Leviticus.


with people who are knowledgeable about theology to determine whether they are accurate or not? If looking for a geological history of the Earth, most logical people would go to a geologist rather than a pastor or a priest. Looking for an explanation of evolution? Most would go to a biologist rather than a local pastor. Getting your car fixed? You'd see a mechanic instead of a priest.


And looking for an explanation of theology? Most would go to a priest or theological text, rather than CNN scare headlines about countries banning gay marriage or Red-staters banning Pokemon.


Regardless of why someone may be blaming the world for something, how does the target of their blame become their parents instead?


Go ahead--Taboo game: We'll give you one paragraph to explain your religious upbringing and how you fell away from it WITHOUT mentioning your parents, or the geographical area of the country you grew up in and its relative degree of social tolerance. Place your bets, folks, place your bets...
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Posted 8/8/16

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:
Where have I suggested, or rather the AHA, a system of removal


Well, it's implied by the part where the only thing I said about Nazis was that they wanted to eliminate the Jews.

If you're "apparently" a Nazi because of my post, you must also want to eliminate the Jews.

Unless, of course, you just didn't pay very much attention and responded to something you made up instead of what I actually said.

And if that's not against the rules, it doesn't matter whether you said something, we can all just make something up and pretend you said it.


I don't quite understand your point. Are you attempt to pull my rhetorical question out of context to build up your argument, because I would appreciate it if you did not. Race is not like religion, rather religion is just a set of beliefs, ideas. Just ones I'm not fond of. Whereas race is for the most part "unchangeable". Disliking or even discriminating an idea is not something I feel is actually on the same plateau as discrimination on race.

And I meant that reply as sarcasm, at the idea of comparing people like me, or AHA, as wanting to eliminate religion through forceful eradication. Seriously? I just want to urge people to follow what I see is logical, no different than what I am doing now, but I don't want to kill people or go to battle for an ideal. As Archer from FSN points out "If you fight for an ideal, you're helping no one."

I don't see where I went wrong. I merely scoffed at the exaggeration of this movement as one built on the death of others.
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Posted 8/8/16

Hrafna wrote:

How did the U.S., the most religious of all the western countries, turn into the most morally bankrupt of all the western countries?



Most morally bankrupt is a bit of a stretch. Sure we're not Canada, but we're definitely not Venezuela, Mexico, or Brazil either...
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Posted 8/8/16

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Hrafna wrote:

How did the U.S., the most religious of all the western countries, turn into the most morally bankrupt of all the western countries?



Most morally bankrupt is a bit of a stretch. Sure we're not Canada, but we're definitely not Venezuela, Mexico, or Brazil either...


Some gang leaders are pretty religious, according to Huasteco. Go figure.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Southern55 wrote:


Hrafna wrote:

How did the U.S., the most religious of all the western countries, turn into the most morally bankrupt of all the western countries?



Most morally bankrupt is a bit of a stretch. Sure we're not Canada, but we're definitely not Venezuela, Mexico, or Brazil either...


Some gang leaders are pretty religious, according to Huasteco. Go figure.


Well, claiming to be religious, and actually being morally righteous aren't necessarily one in the same. But, morals are also highly flexible so there's that...
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I don't quite understand your point.


I responded to the OP with the observation that Goebbels wanted to eliminate all the Jews.

You responded to me that apparently you are a Nazi.

The only way that makes sense is if you want to eliminate all the Jews.

If you don't, then there's no way you could possibly think my post - which you quoted - suggested that you are a Nazi.


Race is not like religion


What if it was?

What if you could take a pill that altered your DNA to make you whatever race you wanted?

Would it be okay to make a pill that altered your DNA so you were of no definite race at all, and then try to get everyone to take it?

What we're talking about here is an effort to create a society that does not include people you don't like.

You can do this in three ways: you can forcibly alter those people, so they become people you like; you can physically remove those people, whether by deportation or wholesale slaughter; or you can incorporate discriminatory elements into your society, which passively encourage the people you don't like to leave.

And all three of those things are uniformly bad and awful.


the idea of comparing people like me, or AHA, as wanting to eliminate religion through forceful eradication.


It doesn't matter how you want to eliminate it, YOU DO NOT GET TO ELIMINATE IDEAS YOU DON'T LIKE.
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Oh, that--That's the old joke about how you can birdwatch-guide which traumatic childhood an atheist had by which "weapon" of choice he uses:
1) is usually the kid whose mom died of cancer when they were six, and they're the "Hitman God with his scope-rifle" whiners who go into the whole "Why does God not stop more evil in the world?" act.
2) tends to be the parental/sexual abuse cases who talk about "hypocrisy" and "conspiracies" a lot, and claim that every Catholic priest who ever wore a collar was buggering fourth graders in the choir,
3) is more often than not the Red State victims who were forced to memorize all the OT verses in state-church school verbatim, think that every single religion on the planet are the Southern Baptists, and embarrass themselves trying to go micro-trivia text-nitpicking to heckle everyone else with scientific deconstructions of Noah's Ark and Creation, when most modern Protestant sects in the 21st century don't even pay attention to those anymore,
And 4) just lumps in all the lapsed Catholics and UK Anglicans who were never taught anything about Protestantism and thought they'd found "the flaw in all religion" because they'd found the one in their own, and all the disgruntled gays who think the entire world still pays attention to Leviticus. No, seriously, Leviticus.


So... essentially brushing off atheists as being nothing more than children throwing a tantrum, and placing theism as something that "adults" do.


And looking for an explanation of theology? Most would go to a priest or theological text, rather than CNN scare headlines about countries banning gay marriage or Red-staters banning Pokemon.


As is logical.

If the above four grievances are all that you feel makes up an atheist though, then it certainly makes sense why you think an atheist should speak with a panel of theological experts, but being atheist doesn't necessitate having turned away from a religion. Just as turning away from the religion that one may have been born into doesn't necessitate that a person becomes atheist.


Go ahead--Taboo game: We'll give you one paragraph to explain your religious upbringing and how you fell away from it WITHOUT mentioning your parents, or the geographical area of the country you grew up in and its relative degree of social tolerance. Place your bets, folks, place your bets...


Doesn't explain how it goes from someone blaming the world to blaming their parents. "Oh, puppies were tortured and killed! The world is terrible!! My parents are terrible!!!" What you are asking now is far different from what you were asserting earlier. That being said, none of that is required to fall away from your religious teachings, nor is it required to be atheist. You're either going to have to add more pigeonholes or broaden the ones you have.

It seems like the person that you've been so critical of is going through more than a few issues in their life, especially since they're turning away or have turned away from their previous religion. It's nice to see that you're keeping up your end by doing what you can to ostracize them.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I don't quite understand your point.


I responded to the OP with the observation that Goebbels wanted to eliminate all the Jews.

You responded to me that apparently you are a Nazi.

The only way that makes sense is if you want to eliminate all the Jews.

If you don't, then there's no way you could possibly think my post - which you quoted - suggested that you are a Nazi.


Race is not like religion


What if it was?

What if you could take a pill that altered your DNA to make you whatever race you wanted?

Would it be okay to make a pill that altered your DNA so you were of no definite race at all, and then try to get everyone to take it?

What we're talking about here is an effort to create a society that does not include people you don't like.

You can do this in three ways: you can forcibly alter those people, so they become people you like; you can physically remove those people, whether by deportation or wholesale slaughter; or you can incorporate discriminatory elements into your society, which passively encourage the people you don't like to leave.

And all three of those things are uniformly bad and awful.


the idea of comparing people like me, or AHA, as wanting to eliminate religion through forceful eradication.


It doesn't matter how you want to eliminate it, YOU DO NOT GET TO ELIMINATE IDEAS YOU DON'T LIKE.




Here's what you wrote.


cdarklock wrote:


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A few years back there was a big push by the American Humanist Association to get the Good without God campaign up and running to rid America of religion.


A few more years back there was a big push by Joseph Goebbels to get the Final Solution up and running to rid Germany of Jews.

Even MORE years back, there was a big push by Fernando de Aragon to get the Spanish Inquisition up and running to rid Spain of heretics.

And hey, there's been a whole lot of that in world history. It's reasonably common for bigoted arseholes to start some project or other to make sure some place or other is cleansed of the people they don't like. The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, the Cultural Revolution in China, the Armenian Genocide of the Ottoman Empire, the Great Purge of Stalinist Russia... it never seems to end, does it?

Why, it's almost like letting people think for themselves and believe what they want is TOO HARD.

My response was a facetious one.

Now back to the main stay of your argument.


What if it was?

What if you could take a pill that altered your DNA to make you whatever race you wanted?

Would it be okay to make a pill that altered your DNA so you were of no definite race at all, and then try to get everyone to take it?

What we're talking about here is an effort to create a society that does not include people you don't like.

You can do this in three ways: you can forcibly alter those people, so they become people you like; you can physically remove those people, whether by deportation or wholesale slaughter; or you can incorporate discriminatory elements into your society, which passively encourage the people you don't like to leave.

And all three of those things are uniformly bad and awful.



I believe it is healthy to discriminate against ideas, such as we're doing to each other. Although I like to point out this tidbit you have.


You can do this in three ways: you can forcibly alter those people, so they become people you like; you can physically remove those people, whether by deportation or wholesale slaughter; or you can incorporate discriminatory elements into your society, which passively encourage the people you don't like to leave.


Note that this is the dissemination of ideas, such as atheism, to get people to turn away from a faith they have no evidence from. Nowhere have I stated forcible conversion, physical removal, or the like. We're only attempting to win more people to our side, much like how one support Hillary or Donald Trump. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. Of course, you could use the aforementioned solutions, but as you said, they're awful.

I'm not aware of the AHA's goals or methods, but nowhere does it appear they have taken this militant a stance on religion. If anything, you're being intolerant of this idea on the basis of "bigotry" or some crap.
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who think the entire world still pays attention to Leviticus. No, seriously, Leviticus.

And the best part is that you guys still seriously quote other parts of the book and openly admit to cherry picking which parts you want and don't want to be true.
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Ejanss wrote:

Oh, that--That's the old joke about how you can birdwatch-guide which traumatic childhood an atheist had by which "weapon" of choice he uses:
1) is usually the kid whose mom died of cancer when they were six, and they're the "Hitman God with his scope-rifle" whiners who go into the whole "Why does God not stop more evil in the world?" act.
2) tends to be the parental/sexual abuse cases who talk about "hypocrisy" and "conspiracies" a lot, and claim that every Catholic priest who ever wore a collar was buggering fourth graders in the choir,
3) is more often than not the Red State victims who were forced to memorize all the OT verses in state-church school verbatim, think that every single religion on the planet are the Southern Baptists, and embarrass themselves trying to go micro-trivia text-nitpicking to heckle everyone else with scientific deconstructions of Noah's Ark and Creation, when most modern Protestant sects in the 21st century don't even pay attention to those anymore,
And 4) just lumps in all the lapsed Catholics and UK Anglicans who were never taught anything about Protestantism and thought they'd found "the flaw in all religion" because they'd found the one in their own, and all the disgruntled gays who think the entire world still pays attention to Leviticus. No, seriously, Leviticus.


So... essentially brushing off atheists as being nothing more than children throwing a tantrum, and placing theism as something that "adults" do.


Well, erm....

(thinks)

(reads over other posts)


...Yeah.

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