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Which is better, the old testament or the new?
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Posted 8/15/16

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descloud wrote:

Doesn't the new Testament just reinforce everything about the old?


Nope. Some things in the old testament were abolished in the old testament so they aren't reinforced in the new. The new testament tells the story of Jesus and explains none of us are without sin so instead of being saved by law we will be saved by faith. It actually adds a lot and even expands upon the ten commandments. Drastically different.


This is pretty much how I understand it. Thank you.
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descloud wrote:

Doesn't the new Testament just reinforce everything about the old?


Actually, most of the New Testament is about how Jesus came in to tell the Pharisees to their face most of what they thought about the OT was wrong.
Jesus was raised in ancient Hebrew traditions, but His message was that God would rather have us concentrating on the bits about living up to the Commandments, and the prophecies that God would deliver on His promises, rather than the more politically-skewed bits from Judges and Kings about how Hebrews should hate and distrust all foreigners, and the stringent rules that declared someone "clean" or "unclean" from ancient tradition.

The OT was written during a time when Jewish culture was circling the wagons under occupation, and tended to express a "cultural survival" message that they should keep their traditions with God, who would punish them if they slipped up and even dared associate with someone of an alien pagan culture--And from what we can assume from Jesus's populist message that foreigners and sinners are human beings too, God was not happy about how His message was being politically spin-doctored.
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they're both equally despicable
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Would have to say new, I like a good parable. Lol at the people saying the Bible is worthless because they are atheists.
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DViper15 wrote:

I am absolutely amazed this thread has not turned into a Global Thermo-Nuclear War already.


Just people stating their opinions. You get the usual snide remarks but it's to be expected. Lamentations is one of the darkest pieces of literature ever scribed. Regardless of faith I recommend anyone looking for a good read go through that.
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well they are both equally important

they both have difficult passages... OT be like "xx is the son of who is the son of who is the son of" like 842 times and then like lay out exact details of how to build the Temple and how sacrifices should be made and then all the rules and but then the NT be all deep and theological and confusing stuff and Paul's this crazy reformed Jewish guy who's like really smart -- too smart for me -- and then u got those passages that are heavily debated like the whole predestined thing and then the women teaching thing and

so... yeah. i personally like the 4 gospels and 1&2 Samuel, bc they tell stories and i like stories. plus my middle name comes from Samuel idr which one but anyways. also the psalms are but then song of solomon is like

i reckon that's not a very clear answer but that's what i got. i guess i like them equally maybe?
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Old.

I thought the new testament was kinda boring.
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There are certain parts I like in both the OT and NT. I like the NT better.
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I am a fan of fairy tales so both books fascinate me. It really is amazing how something written by bronze age goat herders has such an effect on our society a few thousands years later.


I am a fan of fairy tales, but I enjoy romantic ones over realistic style. And I do not find it very interesting to read about a man telling what is going to happen to some minor ancient nations.

And about what you said: not only have I always found that thought amazing, I love it. That is the way fairy tales often go: there are some poor people and yet something great comes along. And the message of the testaments is actually just about something greater tagging along. Too bad that all things in real life don't go happily enough to make totally enjoyable reading experience. Otherwise the word realism would not contain such negative connotation in my ear.

Text is enjoyable to read, if you manage to lull yourself with the hypothesis that every single bit of it holds high importance. If you consider that no written information in this world is of any importance, you will find yourself too bored to read anything at all.

I answer new testament, since I can't see as much glorification of a single son of man in the old testament as in the new.
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Elynne06 wrote:

I don't believe in God, but if I had to choose I would say that the New Testament is better. The old testament is way bloodier and probably contains more instances of what could be perceived as hypocrisy (God says don't murder people. Proceeds to drown everyone on earth. Apparently he is the Thane of Whiterun so he get's away with it. That's just my perception though).


That's not hypocrisy. God doesn't murder. Killing a person is murder and wrong because you don't have the right to take life. God created life itself and has the right to take it away.


That's the Christian perception and I understand that, since I was raised Catholic. But I never liked the story of Noah and the flood even when I was a kid. I didn't think it taught a good moral lesson. Personally, I just never liked that God wasn't expected to practice what he preached.
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i wouldn't say "better" but my favorite to read is the old Testament, Genesis and Deuteronomy especially.
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Depends on what you're looking for. If you're into genocide, human sacrifice, rape, questionable morals, then you might want the old testament. If you're more into contradicting passages about questionable morals you might be looking for the new.


?? I find the new testament very clear, the story is repeated several times from different points of view. By the way what was questionable about Jesus? Was it his do unto others as you would have them do unto you? Accept the poor and sick? Turn the other cheek? Was it his work with lepers? Or do you hate religion? Hating other people because of their race, creed or beliefs is bigotry. When you speak in this manner it makes you as ignorant as those idiot Fundamentalists. Try tolerance, you know Jesus taught that also. By the way don't argue faith with me, I'm a scientist. However I do believe in keeping an open mind and heart to other peoples beliefs and feelings. Any kind if hate and vitriol is poison for good communication. I believe in efficiency. I read the Old testament as a history book, the new testament is a very good philosophy to follow. It's very similar to Buddhism, which is also worth looking at.
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Ejanss wrote:


descloud wrote:

Doesn't the new Testament just reinforce everything about the old?


Actually, most of the New Testament is about how Jesus came in to tell the Pharisees to their face most of what they thought about the OT was wrong.
Jesus was raised in ancient Hebrew traditions, but His message was that God would rather have us concentrating on the bits about living up to the Commandments, and the prophecies that God would deliver on His promises, rather than the more politically-skewed bits from Judges and Kings about how Hebrews should hate and distrust all foreigners, and the stringent rules that declared someone "clean" or "unclean" from ancient tradition.

The OT was written during a time when Jewish culture was circling the wagons under occupation, and tended to express a "cultural survival" message that they should keep their traditions with God, who would punish them if they slipped up and even dared associate with someone of an alien pagan culture--And from what we can assume from Jesus's populist message that foreigners and sinners are human beings too, God was not happy about how His message was being politically spin-doctored.


Bam dead on. That's the way I see it.
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This is the most civil thread about religion I've seen in a long time Seriously, though, good job, guys. I tend to like the New Testament better just because I love the overall message of "love God and your neighbor and you're doing things right" versus all the weird rules of the Old Testament (like you can't wear two different fabrics at the same time?? I know those rules were written down in an ancient cultural context but I can't see how that relates to God in ANY context tbh... Leviticus is a fun read tho if you don't take it too seriously). But my favorite books are actually OT books. Ruth because women having stronger bonds with each other than with men in literature is always great and Ecclesiastes because the author's intense pessimism is so interesting to me -u-
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Steelmonk wrote:


Bowie-Sensei wrote:

Depends on what you're looking for. If you're into genocide, human sacrifice, rape, questionable morals, then you might want the old testament. If you're more into contradicting passages about questionable morals you might be looking for the new.


?? I find the new testament very clear, the story is repeated several times from different points of view. By the way what was questionable about Jesus? Was it his do unto others as you would have them do unto you? Accept the poor and sick? Turn the other cheek? Was it his work with lepers? Or do you hate religion? Hating other people because of their race, creed or beliefs is bigotry. When you speak in this manner it makes you as ignorant as those idiot Fundamentalists. Try tolerance, you know Jesus taught that also. By the way don't argue faith with me, I'm a scientist. However I do believe in keeping an open mind and heart to other peoples beliefs and feelings. Any kind if hate and vitriol is poison for good communication. I believe in efficiency. I read the Old testament as a history book, the new testament is a very good philosophy to follow. It's very similar to Buddhism, which is also worth looking at.


In the other thread, I'd compared the OT to the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy:
Ie., if you're going to be anal and read it first for chronological value, sort of sticks out glaringly as not REALLY what it should be all about...
But, if you only use it as a backstory reference for flashback, you might find it valuable to know some things that happened in Clones and Sith, but there's no real need to pay much attention to Phantom Menace, period.

The OT is pretty much only kept around in modern mainstream Christian theology as a back basis of what Jesus was founding out of the Hebrew religion:
They believed Adam had messed up our relationship with God because of what happened in the Garden, God made a commitment with Abraham, and Isaiah predicted that that the commitment would someday eventually be fulfilled in one big, big way that would get all the red ink off the books. (And then, in the NT, Jesus first arrives at the temples saying "Yeah, remember that bit you read about 'someday'?...Well, guess what?")
That, and the Commandments we were told to follow, is essentially all that it's necessary to glean from the older book.
And--to extend the Lucas Prequel metaphor--anything that DOESN'T have to do with the bigger-picture essentials of the united story arc is a lot of messy political editorializing thrown in by the people who wrote it. (We don't care about "trade blockades", George!)

Those who read the book saying "See, here it says that God decided to blow up an entire city because he got angry, and then he helped the armies slaughter all the Philistines"....aren't exactly displaying the highest level of reader comprehension between one chapter and another. Uh, yeah, what was that about 'Philistines'?
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