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Banning prayer in schools is lead to America's demise.
Posted 8/16/16 , edited 8/16/16
Ed: @ sundin13 : This is still an issue today, even moreso today than yesterday..


Banning Prayer in Public Schools Has Led to America's Demise
By Editorial Staff
Published May 1, 1988

by Gary Bergel

A recent statistical analysis by David Barton graphically illustrates how America has plummeted from righteous living, prosperity and success in the last quarter century. Consider the following chart compiled from his study, America: To Pray or Not to Pray. 1

As you might have already noticed on Mr. Barton’s graph, America’s moral decline rapidly accelerated following one event – the U.S. Supreme Court’s removal of prayer from our nation’s schools. On June 25, l962, 39 million students were forbidden to do what they and their predecessors had been doing since the founding of our nation – publicly calling upon the name of the Lord at the beginning of each school day.


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This imho is a major cause of America'a decline, the increasing danger of lack of responsibility for the course we are heading. Opinions, thanks.
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Posted 8/16/16 , edited 8/16/16
Is a 30 year old opinion piece really relevant?

Anyways, I think this is ludicrous. So much so that I don't even feel the need to dignify it with a more drawn out response.
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sundin13 wrote:

Is a 30 year old opinion piece really relevant?

Anyways, I think this is ludicrous. So much so that I don't even feel the need to dignify it with a more drawn out response.


Yes, I believe it still is relevant, even moreso today than it was yesterday,.
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I am not reading all of that. Nope, sorry.


Do you have a shorter version?
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Posted 8/16/16 , edited 8/16/16
No, it's not. Stupidity is. Stupidity of everyone
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qualeshia3 wrote:

I am not reading all of that. Nope, sorry.

Do you have a shorter version? :(


tl;dr: Laws which prevent public prayer in public schools coincide with the "decline in American morality" and these laws (and laws which remove clauses requiring political leaders to affirm their belief in the Christian god) go against the third commandment (Do not take the lord's name in vain).


I can't say that I agree with any of those statements
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sundin13 wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:

I am not reading all of that. Nope, sorry.

Do you have a shorter version? :(


tl;dr: Laws which prevent public prayer in public schools coincide with the "decline in American morality" and these laws (and laws which remove clauses requiring political leaders to affirm their belief in the Christian god) go against the third commandment (Do not take the lord's name in vain).


I can't say that I agree with any of those statements




Oh okay. Thanks for that.
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Good for you for thinking this is relevant but honestly religion shouldn't be forced on anyone. Prayer in school has nothing to do with America's decline. Something that has to to do with America's decline is the public education system which is different from state to state when it really should be the same everywhere so children are not constantly relearning the same things. Prayer in school was once a thing and in some states there are elective courses such seminary. Religion is no longer a universal thing and everyone worships differently or not at all. Basically prayer should be considered relevant and it's a waste of time to read this opinion piece from 1998. Enjoy your opinion and I'll enjoy mine but it will get neither of us anywhere in the end.
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Shouldn't be banned but shouldn't be forced upon either
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yeah... and if you talk about morals take a look at the chems, stuff people get in them today, teaching and discipline (school space and how much they are able to learn)

discipline have changed in ways and whats acceptable or not, from swearing etc. Then again views/tolerance about gays and such have gone up has it not?



Pray if you want, but that is your thing not everyone else's.
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If people are so insistent on invocations being part of public education in the United States perhaps there is a compromise that can be made. There will be invocations, but they must be this invocation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjkwPK8HuKQ

Also, why was the comments section included in the OP? Was that really necessary?
Posted 8/16/16 , edited 8/17/16
What i get most tired of is the blame landing on the teachers when clearly at home the parents can be doing more

Teach your children good skills respect etc.after all you brought them into the world!
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Too many factors. Correlation does not equate causation. Yada yada.
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ideology shouldn't be taught in school i don't care if its political or religious ideology should be kept out of the class room period. if a kid wants to pray let them but shouldn't be mandatory or something teachers encourage etc
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dragonlord1234 wrote:

ideology shouldn't be taught in school i don't care if its political or religious ideology should be kept out of the class room period. if a kid wants to pray let them but shouldn't be mandatory or something teachers encourage etc


Yup!!! Was looking for this comment, if someone else didn't write it I was going to.
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