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Banning prayer in schools is lead to America's demise.
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Posted 8/16/16
The problem with your supposition is that all Americans are at least religious, more specifically Christian.

The problem with a lot of 'scientific' surveys is that they only study the relation between two things. So called moral degradation and removal of mandatory prayer from schools being one example but others abound. Something my Chemistry I teacher told me is that you have to account for other possible causes for a result. Do not assume that just because you are testing one thing and get a correlation that means the two are related. Simply blaming a lack of prayer in schools ignores other factors like technology (television, computers, the internet, cell phones), demographics (first the baby boomers followed by an aging population and a growth of minorities), political (feminism, expanded civil rights for minorities, growth of the welfare state), and social (media, globalization) as possible factors as well.
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I don't believe this argument makes any sense.

I once attended a school, the worse one I'd ever experienced and we started the day saying many prayers, then there was the prayer at lunch and an hour of prayers at home time. It did nothing for anyone's morality. It was a very violent school too. After being in that school awhile we got sent to private school because as soon as parents took a really good look at the school they took their children out.
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Praying is one thing but forcing people to pray is another. We have to keep separation of church and state, or it just sets a precedence and it will move into more and more into theocratic territory.
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Society is an ever changing and evolving community, in which morals change by proxy.

You have to remember slavery used to be legal and moral. Today that's definitely not the case. Nobody but the most insane, and probably bigoted, person would say we should be able to own slaves.

That shows you already that morals of the past and morals of today are different.

Sure, we have universal morals such as people should be caring of one another and try to not harm each other, but those are mandatory to having a society. You cannot have a functioning society if everyone is just killing and stealing from each other. It will never last.

So, does prayer in school matter? Hell no, they cannot stop a student from praying, only employee's of the school. Let alone, the Bible doesn't instill morals, parents and society does. I know plenty of people who are fundamentalist and hold grudges like the best of them, something the Bible severely frowns upon.
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I think people should be allowed to pray, but school conducted prayer is another thing.
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your religion has already ruined society enough
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I don't know, they still have mandatory school prayer in Canada, yet they are also a collapsing society on the road to perdition.

They have mandatory school prayer in several countries where murder and rape are common political tools in their brutal civil wars.

It is not so much the prayer as it is whether or not the people praying the prayers mean it. Once you start praying lies all is lost.

I think it is fine to teach religion in school, so long as the religion doesn't like a lot of murdering, however opinions on what is murder may vary.
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Correlation is not causation?
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What god or gods should the kids pray to?
The Christian God/Jesus? The avatars of Vishnu? The God of the Jews?
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Posted 8/16/16

PaulDHunter wrote:

I don't know, they still have mandatory school prayer in Canada, yet they are also a collapsing society on the road to perdition.


First of all we do not have mandatory school prayer in Canada. Second of all our society is not collapsing around our heads.
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To me, and I know I am going to offend people by saying this but that is not my intent at all, its about time humans start really thinking for themselves about there own spiritual believes. I am not against someone having spiritual believes but I think organised religion is such a thorn in the side of human progress.

I don't think any child should be born into a religion. I believe they should be taught objectively about religion most certainly and in fact even though my religious education was incredibly biased to the Roman Catholic faith I found it incredibly interesting. I think many children may well given the choice decide on there own religion or may even discover religious believes that don't really make up any organised religion but seems right to them (as I think most people do even if they say they are part of a certain organised religion because I have never met someone who actually practices or understands the faith they say they are a part of properly).

So to be honest I do agree that prayer in the classroom to one particular faith should be banned but not without replacing it with an objective and reasonable religious education because even if in some world religion just didn't exist the spiritual questions on peoples minds would still be there.
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I prayed once, then I remember that it does nothing.

Like it does nothing!

Do you want to teach children real values, or that miracles will come true if you believe my child. Why don't we teach our children to accept reality and do some mandatory communication face to face.

The demise of America XD OH LAWD sounds like one of those preachers on the street corner.

The only downfall will come from people, not their ideologies.

Oh and for the record I didn't read a dam thing, because I knew how full of shit this was from the moment I clicked the thread


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While a person of faith myself, I do not believe that is the reason for America's downfall. There are still plenty of religious private schools.

A lot of things are causing us to go downhill as a country.
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while I am religious myself, I think stuff like this should be optional and not forced. I went to a public school so we had none of that but if a student wanted to pray alone or with a group of friends they were more than welcome to but usually during breaks or lunch time.

I don't think this is attributed to America's downfall either, there are too many people out there who try to force their religion on other people and that's is not right either and there is no morale in that. That's a horrible thing to do.

But, there are also many atheists quick to make fun of people of faith. In my entire life I have only met about 3 genuinely good atheists, I have met way more that are assholes to other people for praying or believing in something. It doesn't hurt them so I don't see why they have to be so rude. Many of them just do it because they think they are on a more intellectual level than people of faith when in reality I've met more religious people smarter than atheists. I'm not saying all atheists think they are on a farther intellectual level but many arguments I have encountered come down to them thinking they are better because they believe in science. I have never let my religion get in the way of me learning about physics, the way the universe works, evolution, etc...

I guess to give two examples, I know a kid who always makes fun of people of faith, and says science is truth. But he is a moron and has no idea how I guess you can say his "religion" works.

I had a Physics professor who I assumed did not believe in God mostly because he's a physicist, he knows how everything works and boy was I surprised when he told me he attends mass and helps with christian youth groups on week days.


If we want to talk about increasing morality and teaching people right from wrong it should be teaching kids that if they choose to believe in something to keep it to themselves and stop harassing others who think differently. And if kids decided to believe in nothing other than science then teach them to not belittle families praying for their child who is in the hospital or asking their gods to help them through their hardships. I'm going to be honest, you don't have to believe in God to know good from bad because that's just common sense.

And just a heads up, if I happen to offend anybody then grow up cry baby.
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