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Some people do not view criminals as human beings while some do. It is conflicting to decide whether or not to treat a criminal as a human being for whatever crime they did. I have mixed feelings about it. So do human right apply to convicted criminals? Is it inhumane to torture criminals for their crimes?

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Do you really want to live in a United States where we torture people in prison?


Inb4 a certain someone with a skull posts. I can't wait for his delicious angry edginess he so exudes on topics like these.
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Do you really want to live in a United States where we torture people in prison?


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No.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Do you really want to live in a United States where we torture people in prison?


Inb4 a certain someone with a skull posts. I can't wait for his delicious angry edginess he so exudes on topics like these.


No.


It's present in a lot of nations where human rights are stomped on like ants. North Korea, USSR, Cambodia...you're giving too much power to the Government just for them to misuse it.

I don't believe Human rights can be waived in these circumstances, especially with torture as a punitive punishment rather than means to an end.


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Yes, everyone deserves to be given their basic human rights.
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Yes, everyone deserves to be given their basic human rights.


I somewhat agree with this. But at the same time I remain unsure.
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yes though i don't think should have it good ether in prison since it is meant to be a form of punishment i also think prisons shouldn't be a business should be more of a rehab/reform center then i think they often are at least in some places.
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Contrary to another persons post.

We do not torture inmates in American prisons. That is something completely unrelated to the US court systems and related to prison camps.

If you are an American you actually gain a hell of a lot more rights when you go to prison under the 8th amendment. Most prisons are luxury camps, which contributes to why recidivism is so high among inmates once they're out. Most inmates eat better, socialize better, and overall live better in prison.

Hell, more and more prisons are allowing inmates to have television in their cell.

There is huge truth to this statement, which illustrate another problem in America. Where if you have an illness and cannot afford treatment. If you commit a felony and go to prison, you will get treatment for that illness because the 8th amendment requires them to treat you humanely.

An inmate dying in prison is almost a guaranteed win suit for their families and one of the most common losses prisons have.

California, because of the three strike laws, had to release 1500 criminals from their prisons because of overpopulation due to that law. They released them not because overpopulation is hard to deal with but because the 8th amendment is so powerful, they were being sued for inhumane conditions by inmates because of the overpopulation.

That is to say, prisons are severely different in real life than they are on TV.

Violence you often see in prisons are due to gang incidents over prison actually being a very unsafe environment. It's rather safe, it has to be otherwise they're held liable in civil court.

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Contrary to another persons post.

We do not torture inmates in American prisons. That is something completely unrelated to the US court systems and related to prison camps.

If you are an American you actually gain a hell of a lot more rights when you go to prison under the 8th amendment. Most prisons are luxury camps, which contributes to why recidivism is so high among inmates once they're out. Most inmates eat better, socialize better, and overall live better in prison.

Hell, more and more prisons are allowing inmates to have television in their cell.

There is huge truth to this statement, which illustrate another problem in America. Where if you have an illness and cannot afford treatment. If you commit a felony and go to prison, you will get treatment for that illness because the 8th amendment requires them to treat you humanely.

An inmate dying in prison is almost a guaranteed win suit for their families and one of the most common losses prisons have.

California, because of the three strike laws, had to release 1500 criminals from their prisons because of overpopulation due to that law. They released them not because overpopulation is hard to deal with but because the 8th amendment is so powerful, they were being sued for inhumane conditions by inmates because of the overpopulation.

That is to say, prisons are severely different in real life than they are on TV.

Violence you often see in prisons are due to gang incidents over prison actually being a very unsafe environment. It's rather safe, it has to be otherwise they're held liable in civil court.



In a way, criminals have it good?
Posted 8/16/16 , edited 8/16/16
Yes. Ex-cons have a heavy stigma on them , even after they do their time and pay their debt to society; they have lost their right to vote, and its hard for them to find work and reintegrate as productive members of society. This is one of the reason why recitivism is so high. I'm not saying they should have it easy, but they don't (have it easy). Even some non-violent misdemeanors like shoplifting can destroy a youth's life. As such I think more attention should be focused on prevention than what to after the fact.

Edit: In custody, inmates have basic rights such as a right to food, water, clothing, and shelter, protection from cruel and unusual punisment, and a right to trial and due process ( a fair trial, an attorney if one cannot afford one, and an appropriate punishment for their crime if found guilty, etc).

As for torture, that goes under cruel and unusual punishments (although I hear its regardless commonplace when its a matter of national security, war, etc. and perhaps then I wouldn't care too much.)
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Posted 8/16/16 , edited 8/16/16

senorclown wrote:

Contrary to another persons post.

We do not torture inmates in American prisons. That is something completely unrelated to the US court systems and related to prison camps.

If you are an American you actually gain a hell of a lot more rights when you go to prison under the 8th amendment. Most prisons are luxury camps, which contributes to why recidivism is so high among inmates once they're out. Most inmates eat better, socialize better, and overall live better in prison.

Hell, more and more prisons are allowing inmates to have television in their cell.

There is huge truth to this statement, which illustrate another problem in America. Where if you have an illness and cannot afford treatment. If you commit a felony and go to prison, you will get treatment for that illness because the 8th amendment requires them to treat you humanely.

An inmate dying in prison is almost a guaranteed win suit for their families and one of the most common losses prisons have.

California, because of the three strike laws, had to release 1500 criminals from their prisons because of overpopulation due to that law. They released them not because overpopulation is hard to deal with but because the 8th amendment is so powerful, they were being sued for inhumane conditions by inmates because of the overpopulation.

That is to say, prisons are severely different in real life than they are on TV.

Violence you often see in prisons are due to gang incidents over prison actually being a very unsafe environment. It's rather safe, it has to be otherwise they're held liable in civil court.



I assumed she was talking about allowing torture in said prisons as an official consequence, which oddly enough many people are for. I never said America had government sanctioned torture.
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women are in jail as well....so we would be torturing women as well? i am sure you mean only the men rite?
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Depend on their crime, if its murder and as a powerful Drug Lord who have no regard for Human Lives than the answer is NO!
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women are in jail as well....so we would be torturing women as well? i am sure you mean only the men rite?


No.
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Depend on their crime, if its murder and as a powerful Drug Lord who have no regard for Human Lives than the answer is NO!


despite my early answer being yes they should keep their right i do agree they should get less better conditions the more severer the crime/s
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