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...and none of those stories would be nearly as long without the nonsense goosing them along.


Nonsense? I don't think I could disagree more strongly. As a writer, my stories are driven by the choices that I believe my characters would realistically make and rarely are those choices poor. Sometimes they may be choices which are the best that can be made out of limited information and sometimes they are just good choices.


I think I made it pretty clear in the original post that these stories are the ones that got made into episodes and thus have their rounds in annoying the general public

Your stories didn't get made into episodes


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There are plenty of stories where the main character, and even some characters around them, make good logical decisions but are caught up in something much bigger than themselves. These can be long stories, even without "contrived" events. Some of them are real life stories.

Also, there is nothing common about "common sense". Everyone is caught in their own perceptions, so what is common sense to one person can be ludicrous to another.


Examples please.

Even in stories where the characters are seemingly logical, the stories still require contrivance to lengthen them.
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Lol then what about all the true stories that are movies or documentaries?


You can't lengthen those or drag those out.

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Reasons I don't belong in a story:

1. I would read ahead
2. Genre savvy
3. You don't get stories about engineers. They tend to make stories boring and efficient.
4. I would break the fourth wall
5. Anyone who says violence never solves anything wasn't using enough of it
6. Addendum to 5: Fire solves almost everything. If fire isn't working it is weak to ice.
7. If I knew I was in a story I would try to derail the narrative
8. "Well that was a thing that happened" doesn't test as well as "And they lived happily ever after"
9. I tend to make my characters in RPGs overpowered in a stealthy way that nobody notices until its too late
10. Star Trek would be referenced and Paramount's lawyers would sue


I think we can put you in the movie Stranger Than Fiction.

As for being an engineer, maybe just stick you with a large bunch of other people to spread out the boredom. Kind of like Log Horizon (the main character is probably an engineer by trade) except less exciting.

Okay, this probably won't work. I guess I proved my own original point.
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ishe5555 wrote:

There are plenty of stories where the main character, and even some characters around them, make good logical decisions but are caught up in something much bigger than themselves. These can be long stories, even without "contrived" events. Some of them are real life stories.

Also, there is nothing common about "common sense". Everyone is caught in their own perceptions, so what is common sense to one person can be ludicrous to another.


I agree especially when I participate in cyber-political conflicts against the Capitalists who are isolating otaku from real life so they can infect the otaku with the Capitalist delusional world. Interestingly, the Capitalists even are using traps to trap men into Capitalist delusion in contradiction to their political stances...
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"...And then he masturbated" Would be a far too frequent line to be entertaining.
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nanikore2 wrote:
I think I made it pretty clear in the original post that these stories are the ones that got made into episodes and thus have their rounds in annoying the general public

Your stories didn't get made into episodes


If you think that what you said is anything close to a universal statement, I think you are probably watching the wrong "stories".

PS: No you didn't make it "pretty clear". You made no implication that your statements only applied to "stories which had been made into episodes". You mentioned both "chapters" and "episodes" but only in passing...but I digress.
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nanikore2 wrote:
I think I made it pretty clear in the original post that these stories are the ones that got made into episodes and thus have their rounds in annoying the general public

Your stories didn't get made into episodes


If you think that what you said is anything close to a universal statement, I think you are probably watching the wrong "stories".

PS: No you didn't make it "pretty clear". You made no implication that your statements only applied to "stories which had been made into episodes". You mentioned both "chapters" and "episodes" but only in passing...but I digress.


I don't think I've watched the wrong stories. Even the good ones have their share of deux ex machina.
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The main characters in White Album 2 are pretty normal; what would you do in their situation? I don't think it's all that easy - life isn't always manageable with our limited skill sets. I know I can be pretty stupid.

All stories somehow reflect reality, for reality is the author's only source of information. So that thing or person in the story that's abnormal is really out there somewhere - maybe not in the way we'd expect, but it is out there. Who's to say that you or anyone else might not encounter it eventually?

And if you've read any Foucault, you know that normal can be quite scary.
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nanikore2 wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:
I think I made it pretty clear in the original post that these stories are the ones that got made into episodes and thus have their rounds in annoying the general public

Your stories didn't get made into episodes


If you think that what you said is anything close to a universal statement, I think you are probably watching the wrong "stories".

PS: No you didn't make it "pretty clear". You made no implication that your statements only applied to "stories which had been made into episodes". You mentioned both "chapters" and "episodes" but only in passing...but I digress.


I don't think I've watched the wrong stories. Even the good ones have their share of deux ex machina.


Care to give me some examples (using shows that don't suck)?
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Nothing good ever happens to me. ;-;
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I think I want to double down on this: What good does common sense do you when your mother is dying? When you lose your job? When your husband who you thought was dead and you would never see again suddenly comes back? When you love someone but that person is already taken? When what you've worked towards for years is almost complete?

And then there's slice-of-life: Don't we all have fun, boring, happy, and sad things happen in our lives? We don't love K-ON! because it's about strange people.
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Ravenstein wrote:

Reasons I don't belong in a story:

3. You don't get stories about engineers. They tend to make stories boring and efficient.


I'm a mechanical engineer who's currently in grad school, so I totally agree with reason#3.

We don't belong in a story because we are just too boring and always try to make everything more efficient..
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sundin13 wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

I don't think I've watched the wrong stories. Even the good ones have their share of deux ex machina.


Care to give me some examples (using shows that don't suck)?



Of course, we could include stuff like some regular movies like The Notebook where the movie wouldn't be a movie if the couple just used a PHONE... plus some other movies that got skewered by various parodies done by people such as How It Should Have Ended


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I think I want to double down on this: What good does common sense do you when your mother is dying? When you lose your job? When your husband who you thought was dead and you would never see again suddenly comes back? When you love someone but that person is already taken? When what you've worked towards for years is almost complete?

And then there's slice-of-life: Don't we all have fun, boring, happy, and sad things happen in our lives? We don't love K-ON! because it's about strange people.


That's why those things you've mentioned don't make entire series. They have to be padded.

Also, I don't know if you've noticed this or not but people in those slice-of-life shows are NOT regular at all in their reactions. It is because they're not regular-boring that there could be a whole show at least 12 episodes long about them.
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nanikore2 wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

I don't think I've watched the wrong stories. Even the good ones have their share of deux ex machina.


Care to give me some examples (using shows that don't suck)?



Of course, we could include stuff like some regular movies like The Notebook where the movie wouldn't be a movie if the couple just used a PHONE... plus some other movies that got skewered by various parodies done by people such as How It Should Have Ended


I don't know what you are talking about in the spoiler (usually you list what show you are talking about before the spoiler so we know what the spoiler is about). As for The Notebook, I was asking about things that don't suck (EYY OHHHH). But seriously, I've never watched the Notebook....and its Nicholas Sparks so its not exactly prime fiction.

However, lets talk about the "How It Should Have Ended".

First one I came across is Ant Man. Okay, what do they have to say about Ant Man?

-Doesn't make sense how Ant Man was recruited: Well thats not really true at all. Hank Pym wanted to test him first and why would he not also accept the help of people who were well versed in thievery if the job is to steal something?
-Semantic Bullshit: Honestly, this next part is dumb. And would you look at that, literally there entire "How it should have ended" spirals off of that stupid semantic bullshit and wouldn't really make sense in the context of literally anything.

How It Should Have Ended is not film critique. It is entertainment. Its supposed to be funny, not expose deep flaws in movies.

I think what you are doing is looking at things from an outsiders perspective (with information that the characters don't have, of course different decisions would be made). You are saying "I wouldn't make that decision, therefore the characters wouldn't make that decision". I think you are also underestimating the unusualness of normality...

Anyways, your examples were bad.
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sundin13 wrote:

I think what you are doing is looking at things from an outsiders perspective (with information that the characters don't have, of course different decisions would be made). You are saying "I wouldn't make that decision, therefore the characters wouldn't make that decision". I think you are also underestimating the unusualness of normality...

Anyways, your examples were bad.


No. Subaru saw Puck in that form.
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nanikore2 wrote:


sundin13 wrote:

I think what you are doing is looking at things from an outsiders perspective (with information that the characters don't have, of course different decisions would be made). You are saying "I wouldn't make that decision, therefore the characters wouldn't make that decision". I think you are also underestimating the unusualness of normality...

Anyways, your examples were bad.


No. Subaru saw Puck in that form.


I already said I have no idea what you are talking about there.

Again, while what you said might be true for some shows, it is far from universal. What you are talking about it a symptom of bad writing, not something universal to all writing (or all shows).
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