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Oh really? You don't call yanking at someone's throat n' collar, yelling at the top of the lungs and throwing fists at someone's face throwing a fit? That's quite a beating he laid on Hinata, and no- I haven't seen that kind of beating between teammates during a high school practice, how nice of you to assume otherwise.

Kageyama worked on that new toss only AFTER the coach talked with him about stopping the ball.

However, it's good for a few episodes of drama.

Misanthrope? You don't get it do you. The characters in the stories are overblown and would be extremely difficult to deal with in real life, they're good for stories. Heck, some anime girls are great in stories but unimaginable in real life including my favorite Nico. I would only be a "misanthrope" if "misanthropy" apply to fictional characters


No, I would call it a fight (which is exactly what I called it), which lasted a short amount of time. It wasn't a multiple episode long "fit". It happens in real life too, especially with the pressure that they are under. There was nothing in that scene which would be impossible or even exceedingly unlikely to happen in real life. Drama happens in real life too.

Not sure why you mentioned that the coach talked to him though.

And finally, while what you are saying is true of some characters, its not true of all of them. There are plenty of characters who would be fine to be around in real life, and plenty of characters who are quite similar to people I know in real life. There are plenty of people in real life who, under the right circumstances, could fit quite well into a story. I repeat, people aren't as boring as you seem to think they are.

And I repeat again, what is your definition of a "normal person"?


A normal person is someone who doesn't yanking at someone's throat n' collar, yelling at the top of the lungs and throwing fists at someone's face at a team practice and goes on for weeks sulking afterwards. A "short time"? No. I don't call drama spanning the better part of five episodes a "short time". Like I've already said- It's good manufactured drama.

You made it sound as if the conflict drove Kageyama to better his technique (see what you yourself wrote earlier) when it was the coach who drove him- It had nothing to do with what went on between Kageyama and Hinata. Go back and look at the episodes yourself- The coach talked to Kageyama about altering his technique way before Kageyama went solo on his practice.
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A normal person is someone who doesn't yanking at someone's throat n' collar, yelling at the top of the lungs and throwing fists at someone's face at a team practice and goes on for weeks sulking afterwards. A "short time"? No. I don't call drama spanning the better part of five episodes a "short time". Like I've already said- It's good manufactured drama.

You made it sound as if the conflict drove Kageyama to better his technique (see what you yourself wrote earlier) when it was the coach who drove him- It had nothing to do with what went on between Kageyama and Hinata. Go back and look at the episodes yourself- The coach talked to Kageyama about altering his technique way before Kageyama went solo on his practice.


First of all, that definition of "normal person" is...well its awful and you know that it is awful. It doesn't explain anything. By that definition, a martian who breathes Cocoa Puffs and has shrunken himself down to live inside a bird's cloaca is a "normal person". It doesn't help. Give me a real explanation.

Second of all, yes, the fight lasted maybe 5 minutes (aka, a short time). The drama following that lasted a little while longer but nothing about that was really out of the ordinary. Usually when you get in a big fight with someone, it doesn't smooth itself over in 10 minutes (I will also add that I really wouldn't say what Kageyama was doing was "sulking" but whatever). There is nothing about this that is unrealistic or particularly abnormal.

Third, yes, the coach did give him an idea of how to improve his technique, but the drive to improve his technique was something that had been weighing on him for a while and the fight did play a huge part in that, so yes, Kageyama did seek to better himself in part due to this conflict. However, characters motivations aren't one dimensional (like in real life...shocker), so multiple things go into every decision.
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nanikore2 wrote:

A normal person is someone who doesn't yanking at someone's throat n' collar, yelling at the top of the lungs and throwing fists at someone's face at a team practice and goes on for weeks sulking afterwards. A "short time"? No. I don't call drama spanning the better part of five episodes a "short time". Like I've already said- It's good manufactured drama.

You made it sound as if the conflict drove Kageyama to better his technique (see what you yourself wrote earlier) when it was the coach who drove him- It had nothing to do with what went on between Kageyama and Hinata. Go back and look at the episodes yourself- The coach talked to Kageyama about altering his technique way before Kageyama went solo on his practice.


First of all, that definition of "normal person" is...well its awful and you know that it is awful. It doesn't explain anything. By that definition, a martian who breathes Cocoa Puffs and has shrunken himself down to live inside a bird's cloaca is a "normal person". It doesn't help. Give me a real explanation.

Second of all, yes, the fight lasted maybe 5 minutes (aka, a short time). The drama following that lasted a little while longer but nothing about that was really out of the ordinary. Usually when you get in a big fight with someone, it doesn't smooth itself over in 10 minutes (I will also add that I really wouldn't say what Kageyama was doing was "sulking" but whatever). There is nothing about this that is unrealistic or particularly abnormal.

Third, yes, the coach did give him an idea of how to improve his technique, but the drive to improve his technique was something that had been weighing on him for a while and the fight did play a huge part in that, so yes, Kageyama did seek to better himself in part due to this conflict. However, characters motivations aren't one dimensional (like in real life...shocker), so multiple things go into every decision.


Give me a call when you see teammates duking it out and then having the drama go on for weeks.

Heck there were good and bad things back in high school and college and I've never personally seen anything even half as drama-filled. I got into a fight with some jerk and there wasn't even much drama from that. Same thing with disagreements with friends.

Face it- The whole point of escaping into the extra-ordinary is that those things are extra-ordinary.
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sundin13 wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

A normal person is someone who doesn't yanking at someone's throat n' collar, yelling at the top of the lungs and throwing fists at someone's face at a team practice and goes on for weeks sulking afterwards. A "short time"? No. I don't call drama spanning the better part of five episodes a "short time". Like I've already said- It's good manufactured drama.

You made it sound as if the conflict drove Kageyama to better his technique (see what you yourself wrote earlier) when it was the coach who drove him- It had nothing to do with what went on between Kageyama and Hinata. Go back and look at the episodes yourself- The coach talked to Kageyama about altering his technique way before Kageyama went solo on his practice.


First of all, that definition of "normal person" is...well its awful and you know that it is awful. It doesn't explain anything. By that definition, a martian who breathes Cocoa Puffs and has shrunken himself down to live inside a bird's cloaca is a "normal person". It doesn't help. Give me a real explanation.

Second of all, yes, the fight lasted maybe 5 minutes (aka, a short time). The drama following that lasted a little while longer but nothing about that was really out of the ordinary. Usually when you get in a big fight with someone, it doesn't smooth itself over in 10 minutes (I will also add that I really wouldn't say what Kageyama was doing was "sulking" but whatever). There is nothing about this that is unrealistic or particularly abnormal.

Third, yes, the coach did give him an idea of how to improve his technique, but the drive to improve his technique was something that had been weighing on him for a while and the fight did play a huge part in that, so yes, Kageyama did seek to better himself in part due to this conflict. However, characters motivations aren't one dimensional (like in real life...shocker), so multiple things go into every decision.


Give me a call when you see teammates duking it out and then having the drama go on for weeks.

Heck there were good and bad things back in high school and college and I've never personally seen anything even half as drama-filled. I got into a fight with some jerk and there wasn't even much drama from that. Same thing with disagreements with friends.

Face it- The whole point of escaping into the extra-ordinary is that those things are extra-ordinary.


Yes, extraordinary things happen in stories, but those are often situations or settings and not decisions/actions. The actions you are talking about in Haikyu are not extraordinary, unlikely or impossible in the real world. I'm sure similar things have happened hundreds of times. I've seen drama in high school which took very similar forms. Theres nothing left for me to say. I think that you couldn't be more wrong.
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sundin13 wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

Give me a call when you see teammates duking it out and then having the drama go on for weeks.

Heck there were good and bad things back in high school and college and I've never personally seen anything even half as drama-filled. I got into a fight with some jerk and there wasn't even much drama from that. Same thing with disagreements with friends.

Face it- The whole point of escaping into the extra-ordinary is that those things are extra-ordinary.


Yes, extraordinary things happen in stories, but those are often situations or settings and not decisions/actions. The actions you are talking about in Haikyu are not extraordinary, unlikely or impossible in the real world. I'm sure similar things have happened hundreds of times. I've seen drama in high school which took very similar forms. Theres nothing left for me to say. I think that you couldn't be more wrong.


It was an extraordinary dramatic overreaction. I don't buy your presumptive "I'm sure it's the case" until you describe a real instance in full.

You make it out as if characters aren't extraordinary in their reactions. False. Happens all the time in anime and manga.
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You make it out as if characters aren't extraordinary in their reactions. False. Happens all the time in anime and manga.


Some characters, yes, but it is not a requirement for a story. I think the fact that documentaries exist pretty much proved that real humans can still be a part of interesting stories.
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nanikore2 wrote:

You make it out as if characters aren't extraordinary in their reactions. False. Happens all the time in anime and manga.


Some characters, yes, but it is not a requirement for a story. I think the fact that documentaries exist pretty much proved that real humans can still be a part of interesting stories.


That story you wrote, was it a biography?

Also, for the sake of bean-counting, lets look at the past 5 or 10 or so of anime seasons. What is the proportion of stories based on real persons and events?
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nanikore2 wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

You make it out as if characters aren't extraordinary in their reactions. False. Happens all the time in anime and manga.


Some characters, yes, but it is not a requirement for a story. I think the fact that documentaries exist pretty much proved that real humans can still be a part of interesting stories.


That story you wrote, was it a biography?

Also, for the sake of bean-counting, lets look at the past 5 or 10 or so of anime seasons. What is the proportion of stories based on real persons and events?


a) Irrelevant
b) Irrelevant

You posit "real people aren't interesting enough to be in stories" (pretty much the title of the thread).
I say "what about documentaries which are full of real people".
Do you have a counterargument?
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sundin13 wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

You make it out as if characters aren't extraordinary in their reactions. False. Happens all the time in anime and manga.


Some characters, yes, but it is not a requirement for a story. I think the fact that documentaries exist pretty much proved that real humans can still be a part of interesting stories.


That story you wrote, was it a biography?

Also, for the sake of bean-counting, lets look at the past 5 or 10 or so of anime seasons. What is the proportion of stories based on real persons and events?


a) Irrelevant
b) Irrelevant

You posit "real people aren't interesting enough to be in stories" (pretty much the title of the thread).
I say "what about documentaries which are full of real people".
Do you have a counterargument?


Yes, those years of anime you dismissed as irrelevant.

If real people are supposedly so interesting then why a distinct lack of anime or manga of them?
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Yes, those years of anime you dismissed as irrelevant.

If real people are supposedly so interesting then why a distinct lack of anime or manga of them?


Again, theres plenty of interesting documentaries full of real people which is proof that real people can make interesting stories. The fact that there are few anime based on true events proves literally nothing.

As for your question, well I'm sure there are a lot of reasons for that. One would be that animation as a medium gives a lot of opportunities outside of the realm of reality due to the limitless nature of art. That has allowed anime to explore fictional worlds more easily than perhaps live action would allow, and it also allows breaking the rules of reality within stories. However, as I said, fictional circumstances do not unrealistic characters make. Two would probably be documentaries tend to be made using footage taken during the event or made in a way which mirrors real life (because it is about real life) so to animate a documentary would add an unnecessary layer of abstraction to the presentation which would muddle the message a bit (and increase the amount of work necessary for no good reason).

I want to stress again that I think the box that you are putting "normal people" in is significantly smaller than what it is in reality...
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sundin13 wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

Yes, those years of anime you dismissed as irrelevant.

If real people are supposedly so interesting then why a distinct lack of anime or manga of them?


Again, theres plenty of interesting documentaries full of real people which is proof that real people can make interesting stories. The fact that there are few anime based on true events proves literally nothing.

As for your question, well I'm sure there are a lot of reasons for that. One would be that animation as a medium gives a lot of opportunities outside of the realm of reality due to the limitless nature of art. That has allowed anime to explore fictional worlds more easily than perhaps live action would allow, and it also allows breaking the rules of reality within stories. However, as I said, fictional circumstances do not unrealistic characters make. Two would probably be documentaries tend to be made using footage taken during the event or made in a way which mirrors real life (because it is about real life) so to animate a documentary would add an unnecessary layer of abstraction to the presentation which would muddle the message a bit (and increase the amount of work necessary for no good reason).

I want to stress again that I think the box that you are putting "normal people" in is significantly smaller than what it is in reality...


Find one single non-documentary film "based on real events" in which no embellishment occurs. Why is embellishment needed? I'm not actually entirely sure you don't get my points at all, or just ignoring them.

The question is not the range of all possibilities of all people, but possibilities of a singular train in singular individuals.

In fiction that one single character can be stretched as far as the author allows in order accommodate the larger plot direction (e.g. a novel, a movie, a series). Not so in reality.

Let's start with you. Let's say that you are put in the same situation as fictional characters. Are you all that certain that you would react in a "plot conducive" way? Okay. Let's start with Re:Zero since you haven't seen it... What exactly would you (not a character... you) do once you wake up some place off-Earth?... and I mean exactly. Do you begin to see my point?
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