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This is just a small sample of additional issues transgender people face. It's a rather bleak record, really.

Alarmingly high rates of sexual harassment and assault:
http://www.ovc.gov/pubs/forge/sexual_numbers.html

Rising murder rates:
http://avp.org/storage/documents/2015.10.7_ncavp_ma_zellazionamd.pdf

Being inappropriately incarcerated for legitimately possessing medications:
https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-files-complaint-behalf-black-transgender-woman-illegally-profiled-and-jailed-iowa

Discrimination in healthcare provision and its impact on outcomes and seeking care:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140218110431.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150424121116.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/09/150929142028.htm

Problems in education and self-reported professional preparedness on transgender care:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/12/131211132720.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160229081850.htm

Denial of needed healthcare and being targeted for violence bundled into one nasty mess:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/25/transgender-activist-dies-after-being-denied-treatment-in-pakist/

Housing concerns in prisons and jails, and an exceedingly high rate of sexual harassment/assault therein:
http://www.jaapl.org/content/41/4/551.long
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/svpjri1112_st.pdf


Welcome to the real world. Not saying some of them are not unfair, because they certainly are. So why are we wasting time on restroom rights and not these issues that you listed?
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No, they're throwing men out of the store because they're going into the women's restroom. Not saying that would happen, but it's something that could. I never said it was my business, what's that got to do w/ anything, lol?

I got a counter argument for you. What about if this somehow wins? Great, men can now go into the women's restroom and vice versa. What happens when a woman goes into their respective restroom and there's a group of guys waiting...what do you think is going to happen? And don't tell me that wouldn't happen, because it damn well could. What about my privacy? I go into the men's restroom because I want my "privacy" from the opposite sex when going to the restroom. What about the women? I know there's a changing room/restroom in one in a YMCA where I live. What happens when a guy with his junk hanging out is exposed to a little girl? There are many problems w/ this new change, not just because I don't want it. What's the percentage of transgenders anyway? Like less than 1%? Why are we wasting our tax dollars on this fallacy when we could be feeding the needy? I'll be waiting .


I have sources for this, too.

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/local/article62763847.html
http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/06/03/17-school-districts-debunk-right-wing-lies-abou/203867
http://www.reviewjournal.com/trending/the-feed/court-dismisses-suit-against-planet-fitness-transgender-locker-room-policy
https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/newsroom/wysk/lgbt_examples_decisions.cfm
https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/fs-bathroom-access-transgender.cfm
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If you're that concerned about who you fucking piss with, then you need better things to do with your time. For all you know, you could've pissed and pooped with a transgender male without realizing it.


It's a two way streak buddy. You're worrying about transgenders using a restroom they don't want to use when there's literally life pressing matters happening in our world that all of us should be helping with.


I do agree with you that we need to focus on matters in the world.

But people should have the right to piss and poop wherever they want.



I disagree... Some American ways should be preserved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqg8I4w0ItM









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Welcome to the real world. Not saying some of them are not unfair, because they certainly are. So why are we wasting time on restroom rights and not these issues that you listed?


Because it's an easy issue for social conservatives to create a wedge with because it carries intense emotional baggage. No. Fucking really. That's why.
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I think you missed the part when I said it was a restroom and changing room all in one. Plus, the fact that there's no other restroom to use at our YMCA. You think they're just going to leave to go somewhere else to use the restroom? No, they're going to continue fighting, because that's what liberals do.
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You're young. Like I'm gonna take this from someone named lemontitties...

You and your ilk are too occupied with stupid things. For all you know, you could've had a transgender piss next door to you and you wouldn't even have known it.


I created my username around 3 years ago now. Do I regret it? No, not really. It's just a silly username. I don't see how being "young" has anything to do w/ my view on this subject and you shouldn't let my age deter you from understanding where we come from either. Nice response though. Even if you are just reiterating now. Oh, and by the way, yes I would. They would be sitting down peeing. Even if a woman wants to be a man, they still have no penis.


You're an idiot then. You don't even get that it's a matter of privacy. Anyone who fucking is THAT concerned over someone's genitalia in the fucking bathroom is an idiot.

And I was actually trying to be nice. I understand if people are conservative about things like LGBT rights, but damn it's 2016. IF someone's gonna come after you in a bathroom, they're gonna do it regardless of what gender they are.

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I think you missed the part when I said it was a restroom and changing room all in one. Plus, the fact that there's no other restroom to use at our YMCA. You think they're just going to leave to go somewhere else to use the restroom? No, they're going to continue fighting, because that's what liberals do.


Be honest: did you read a single one of those sources?
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Because it's an easy issue for social conservatives to create a wedge with because it carries intense emotional baggage. No. Fucking really. That's why.


Doesn't sound too far from the truth really, lol.
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Be honest: did you read a single one of those sources?


I pretty much just skimmed the titles. But anyway, your "sources" don't really mean anything. Want to know why? Because things are always changing. Hell, look at the gays and their rights to marry. That was a law that was set in place for several years. Never thought that would have happened in a million years, huh? But guess what? It did...
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Doesn't sound too far from the truth really, lol.


So it's not liberals being evil, power hungry bastards out to turn non-issues into issues anymore? You recognise it as a legitimate attack on transgender peoples' rights?
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I pretty much just skimmed the titles.


We're done here.
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You're an idiot then. You don't even get that it's a matter of privacy. Anyone who fucking is THAT concerned over someone's genitalia in the fucking bathroom is an idiot.

And I was actually trying to be nice. I understand if people are conservative about things like LGBT rights, but damn it's 2016. IF someone's gonna come after you in a bathroom, they're gonna do it regardless of what gender they are.

*drops mic.




Nice insult, kind of shows the sort of person you are when you're out of sound arguments Are you high? So, we shouldn't be concerned about our privacy? I guess we should all just walk around naked then, right? Who cares? We shouldn't be concerned about each other's genitalia, right? That's where your argument falls short my friend. If you were trying to be nice, you wouldn't have called me an idiot. And, no they wouldn't do that regardless of what gender they are, want to know why? Because they'd already be playing dress up as a transgender. You know, because it's "2016"? Not sure where the drop mic is from. I didn't realize we were still in middle school.
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We're done here.


Sure, you may be done here. I already gave you proof of why those sources don't mean squat. Does the gay rights being outlawed for years not mean anything to you? We've had articles for years about how gay marriages would never happen either. But sure, we're done here.
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Really, no one gave a shit about this for generations and now this is a topic....


yeah nowadays it's super important where people can give a shit


You can blame the SJWs and the Regressive Left for making this whole thing the big issue it is now. And besides, the trans community might not care about this new change to begin with (at least from my understanding).
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You can blame the SJWs and the Regressive Left for making this whole thing the big issue it is now. And besides, the trans community might not care about this new change to begin with (at least from my understanding).


What change? Target didn't change its facility access policy. Transgender people can still use the restroom they feel comfortable with in Target stores. The only thing that's happening is more single use restrooms will be constructed that people concerned about their privacy can then use. Why would anyone have a problem with that? It's a perfectly reasonable compromise.

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Unless you mean transgender facility access in general. In which case yes. Yes, transgender people do care about having access to facilities matching an expressed gender identity and presentation, and the people ballyhooing most about it aren't liberals.
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