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Posted 8/19/16 , edited 8/22/16
Transgender is just weird; it's beyond natural. No other species (I think) decides to change their identity one day. So, yes, this is unfair.
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Metazoxan wrote:

Hell no. This whole "you are a woman if you feel like it" crap is a real problem these days.

now I am not saying people can't live their lives the way they want. You want to wear a dress and do feminine things? Sure why should I stop you?

But the problem I mainly have is these people are demanding they be treated like ACTUAL women in ever respect .... but they aren't. There are biological differences between men and women and no amount of plastic surgery or hormone injections will change all of that.


Again not arguing they can't live their lives the way they want but they need to do so while accepting themselves for who they truly are. Not pretending they are the other gender but accepting they are their born gender but just don't fit into the typical gender norms.


And issues like in the OP highlight my point.

Men and women are kept separate in Olympic sports primarily because men and women have biological differences creating what many consider an unfair advantage. So doesn't it seem wrong that someone biologically male (and thus has those same advantages) can compete is women's sports as long as they decide "no I want to be a woman instead"?

But when people bring matters like this up the other side will get defensive and act like you are dictating their right to live by their own choices. They are ignoring reality and it's inconveniences for the sake of their feelings but no amount of feelings can change facts.

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nanikore2 wrote: The other night I watched one of the Olympic women's 800 meter semifinal races.

The commentators mentioned that part of the controversy is that even some of the athletes think its unfair that transgender women are competing.

When watching the race, I think it's very obvious that the South African athlete had a clear physical advantage. She's clearly bigger, bulkier, taller and (if one could actually look stronger) stronger than everyone else running in that heat by quite a bit.

She won by a large margin.

Right!? lol
She looked liked wesley snipes, seriously.
What was her name?

Also I brought this up back in the obama transgender letter days. It would seem to me quite unfair to, let someone born a man, compete in a woman's competition and be what is considered a woman. Furthermore I suggest that the letter is overstepping a boundary and being too pc basically. I'm not even sure if it was the same person but watching women compete in the olympics it seems most of the swimmers and runners seem to be very masculine in visual inspection. I don't remember hearing commentators speak on the issue but I would really like to know her name.
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ha it's all fun and games till all women runners where born biologically male, in other words the woman's division would turn into the transwoman's division
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What was her name?

I don't remember hearing commentators speak on the issue but I would really like to know her name.


I forgot so I had to look it up.
Caster Semenya


pandrasb wrote:

ha it's all fun and games till all women runners where born biologically male, in other words the woman's division would turn into the transwoman's division


What would be kind of not-quite-right to me would be that she could very well be the next world record holder, and what if no woman could ever break that record again?
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It's like having a bunch of automatic cars racing but one car is a manual. Not fair.
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maniackillah wrote:


What was her name?

I don't remember hearing commentators speak on the issue but I would really like to know her name.


nanikore2 wrote:
I forgot so I had to look it up.
Caster Semenya

See I read that today too but it was actually someone else who may have been full on female that I saw. Her name was like wadaluke or something she finished 1st in qualifying for the 800 a day or two ago.
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Semenya actually isn't transgender. She is a woman, born as a woman. When she was forced to undergo tests years ago it was revealed that she has an abnormally high level of testosterone which is what is working to her advantage in the sporting world. Admittedly I have mixed feeling because as we've said it gives her an unfair advantage in terms of muscle, speed, endurance, etc that men have undisputedly over women. The tests did reveal she had low enough testosterone to compete as a woman though so it's hard. Do you stop her competing coz of a random biological advantage or do you continue to let her compete as a woman (she'd lose if she was forced to run with the men)?
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nanikore2 wrote:


maniackillah wrote:


What was her name?

I don't remember hearing commentators speak on the issue but I would really like to know her name.


I forgot so I had to look it up.
Caster Semenya


pandrasb wrote:

ha it's all fun and games till all women runners where born biologically male, in other words the woman's division would turn into the transwoman's division


What would be kind of not-quite-right to me would be that she could very well be the next world record holder, and what if no woman could ever break that record again?


I'm not sure but that would be sad.
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It's like having a bunch of automatic cars racing but one car is a manual. Not fair.


It would be kind of like having a non-production specialized race car that could race against normal production cars in a race because the specialized car was technically made a "production car" by making one extra car and selling it to somebody.
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nanikore2 wrote:


Razmise wrote:

It's like having a bunch of automatic cars racing but one car is a manual. Not fair.


It would be kind of like having a non-production specialized race car that could race against normal production cars in a race because the specialized car was technically made a "production car" by making one extra car and selling it to somebody.


Haha yes that's a great way to say it.
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Metazoxan wrote:


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That was usually often said of Russian athletes, and NOT because of TG issues...


Except it's not like russians are just automatically stronger by nature. They just take their athletics way more fucking seriously.


Which includes possible borderline illegal uses of steroids that other countries would frown upon. Hence the joke.

If you see a female athlete with a somewhat implausibly masculine figure, it may not JUST be because she may be Caitlin Jenner. Quite the reverse, in fact.
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I am transgender and though i may not agree with everyone opinions on here i do believe there is an unfair advantage in certain aspects. Yes hormone therapy does decrese muscle in the body and effectively weakens the body but there is still an advantage over that of a cisgendered female competator.
I think that its a very tough subject that were probably never going to understand fully because we dont do the sport ourselves. needless to say its a good topic.
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Posted 8/20/16 , edited 8/20/16

nicoleami wrote:

I am transgender and though i may not agree with everyone opinions on here i do believe there is an unfair advantage in certain aspects. Yes hormone therapy does decrese muscle in the body and effectively weakens the body but there is still an advantage over that of a cisgendered female competator.
I think that its a very tough subject that were probably never going to understand fully because we dont do the sport ourselves. needless to say its a good topic.


Yeah, but the OP was talking about track, not tennis!--It's not like every single female player's going to be lesbian or TG.
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