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whether or not Trump is a racist himself isn't necessarily 100% the matter, as much as the fact that his supporters tend to be flaming bigots instead. If you attract that brand of folk, it's quite a negative reflection of character.


This video sums up Hilary nicely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

So what do we make of the ones who support Hilary?
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still a horrible person.

seen his stance on trans people.
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My face when black people still want to stay on the liberal plantation even though they haven't done shit for us.
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Racist? Nah this man is anti-discrimination. Actions speak FAR louder than words.


Sure, and what do those actions speak of? The fact that Trump had sunk millions of his own money into Mar-a-Largo as a brand new club and knew he was competing against all the other established clubs. And his only possible membership was the 40% or so of Jewish people who lived there. In other words, it had nothing to do with his beliefs or desires, but was a cold blooded business decision. His venture would have failed otherwise.

Now doing the right thing for the wrong reason is not always bad. But considering Trump has a history of going after minorities, I do not see why we should consider it a good thing either.

In any event, one right thing done for the wrong reasons does not change all the other times in the past Trump has made racist or bigoted remarks. http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-racist-meme/

Bottom line? Sure Hillary has problems, but why would anyone want someone who is endorsed by a leader of the KKK, the leader of North Korea, and Putin? I mean, seriously, whether Trump wants those endorsements or not, the fact is his policies and behavior appeals to all of them.

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That's not how it works. It's actually pretty sad that you have to go 19 years back to find something Trump did against discrimination.
It's simply not a very good argument to say he isn't racist today because of what he did almost two decades ago. Going with that logic my uncle would still be a hippie instead of the conservative Putin worshipper he actually is today.
If you want to proof that Trump isn't racist find something he did within the last few months and try to explain why his statements aren't racist. Don't try to make a point with something he did in the 90's because it's only making him look worse.
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Rujikin wrote:

Racist? Nah this man is anti-discrimination. Actions speak FAR louder than words.


Okay, so he's good on Jews and blacks...And now, for el elefante grande en la sala.
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Did he? ok.


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Here is another source for those curious: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB862335923489989500


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And I suppose pulling out the race card at La Raza wasn't as racist as, say, a black man accusing an officer of racial profiling because the officer in question was white? In any case, there's more than enough bullshit that comes out of Trump's mouth.



Though let's be fair, he was a democrat in the 90s, and didn't believe in "freedom of association" as many have called it. Which begs the question, is having a "no girls allowed" a valid expression of freedom in what is probably a private country club? I'm not sure.


What are you talking about?


Trump pulled the race card on the judge overseeing his case on Trump University, and that seems utterly incompetent at best, but a teeny bit paranoid racist at worst. It's the same reason some white supremacist fight against the deal of being a minority because of the delusion that they're being persecuted by anyone not of their ethnic origins.

I was trying to raise discussions on Trump's beliefs back then, as he was an avid supporter of the democrats back in the day, which is many a conservatives' complaint that Trump is not trustworthy, considering he donated millions to the Clinton's foundation or something. In any case, recent actions>past actions.

Although it was a bit of a kneejerk reaction for me.

There's plenty of other reasons to dislike Trump.

For example, his wall, which is does not appear to be simple rabble rousing, but an actually a serious idea he is keen on implementing.

Unless I got the wrong website, this is what he wants.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions



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Both trump and Hillary is bad, that's just a fact
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Hillary Clinton = Fremskrittspartiet
Donald Trump = Anders Breivik
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Both trump and Hillary is bad, that's just a fact


I am republican myself but I do have serious doubts about trump. But I don't think people understand how badly the Clinton dynasty needs to end.

Alas, there is Gary Johnson for the alternative choice.
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I think that probably the best argument against Trump besides his rhetoric is that he has absolutely zero experience in politics yet he somehow thinks he's going to be able to make it as the top executive official of the world's only superpower. He hasn't been able to build connections, he's never had to navigate a legislature, and if what I here is true then he is dividing the Republican party, which means he's going into the job with the Democrats actively hating him and opposing him, and the Republicans being too divided too put up meaningful resistance.

Even if I was a US citizen who agreed with his positions i wouldn't have any faith in his ability to enact meaningful change. He has zero qualifications which suggest he knows how to run a government and how to deal with institutions like the House and the Senate.


You could certainly make a complaint against him for his lack of experience, and he's certainly not done himself any favours on the legislative front by constantly getting under Paul Ryan's skin. That's what I was getting at when I pointed to Trump not knowing the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah, the Kurds and the Quds, and who Zawahiri and al-Baghdadi are. It's what I'm getting at when he clearly indicates he has no idea how many articles the US constitution has. It's what I mean when I point out that he had no idea who was supporting which side of the British exit from the EU. Most presidents spend their first 100 days using their political capital and rhetorical mandate to try and enact a bold, comprehensive vision they have for the country. Trump would spend his first 100 days reading up on what he's supposed to be doing, where, and with or to whom. He'd be like a student cramming for an exam an hour before it starts without any prior studying or practice.

But I would still only rate that as the second most concerning thing. Ignorance can be fixed even if it comes, as in Trump's case, in ample abundance. Alliances between Trump and the GOP's establishment could be forged if and when he came into office. The thing that I find most concerning, the thing that wouldn't go away, is that Trump is openly promising people he will flagrantly violate absolutely critical protections the US constitution and international law are supposed to offer. The right to a trial by a jury of one's peers (Amendment 6)? Suspended by trying civilians in military tribunals. Right to protection from cruel and unusual punishment (Amendment 8)? Suspended by torturing anyone suspected of being a terrorist either for the sake of gathering information or just to inflict punishment upon the suspect. Protection of non-combatants from being targeted during armed conflicts? Suspended with abandonment of Geneva Conventions standards on the matter, with Trump promising he'd commit what is defined as not merely a breach, but a grave breach of those standards. Right to freedom of speech (Amendment 1)? Suspended by expansion of law concerning libel to attack any outlet that presents any material Donald Trump takes offence to (he threatened to sue The Onion and did sue Bill Mahr for telling jokes about him), and further by his recent promise to a group that transparently wants to ban pornography in its entirety that he will treat pornography itself as a "public health crisis". When prompted for what he would specifically do to protect Article I (the legislature's powers) he indicated plainly he didn't even know what it was.

For a supposed "law and order" candidate Trump is frighteningly willing to promise to violate both US and international law.
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I want to know whether Trump is really serious on his new support for domestic black civilian? I do not know about Trump in particular but the Republican do use the media, hacking, and impersonation to held the Democrat as scapegoat for pro-immigration and pro-militarism. Trump did accuse the press for being against him but that is just because the press do not do enough for Trump who depend heavily on the press for his political campaign. The two major political parties are losing power in favor of political change at the cost of stability and the effect is more severe for Republican than Democrat; due to this, Donald Trump are not restrained by mainstream Republican politicians and so can oppose immigration and militarism but the issue is whether he is able to keep his words. I have no problem with his lack of political experience since American is supposed to be Democratic where the followers can compensated for the flaws of their leaders.
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TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:

Both trump and Hillary is bad, that's just a fact


I am republican myself but I do have serious doubts about trump. But I don't think people understand how badly the Clinton dynasty needs to end.

Alas, there is Gary Johnson for the alternative choice.


If voting for a third party candidate would actually work I'd definitely be throwing him my vote just to see Clinton and Trump lose. Unfortunately though, voting for him would only help Trump win and I see him as far worse than Clinton. My hope is, unfortunately, 8 stable years of Clinton and then someone good. I'd really want only 4 years of her but I doubt that will work out. Time will tell though.
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descloud wrote:


TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:

Both trump and Hillary is bad, that's just a fact


I am republican myself but I do have serious doubts about trump. But I don't think people understand how badly the Clinton dynasty needs to end.

Alas, there is Gary Johnson for the alternative choice.


If voting for a third party candidate would actually work I'd definitely be throwing him my vote just to see Clinton and Trump lose. Unfortunately though, voting for him would only help Trump win and I see him as far worse than Clinton. My hope is, unfortunately, 8 stable years of Clinton and then someone good. I'd really want only 4 years of her but I doubt that will work out. Time will tell though.


You make some valid points.

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