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I was just wondering if i was the only one who finds re:zero among the most overrated anime around, because all i see is constant praise for this show, yet i find it painfully average.



I really like the show. However, I am totally with you: it is IMMENSELY overrated.

Throughout the season, I have been led into this false hope that an amazing wonderful cool thing could be done REAL SOON NOW over and over again. But then they don't do anything amazing or wonderful. Just cool. Also, occasionally they do something shitty and I don't like it one bit.

Now, that does make it a GOOD anime, in my opinion. But if you stack it up with a bunch of other good anime, they tend to beat the shit out of it being like three to five times better. I mean, Gate and Konosuba managed to do a whole bunch of cool things - just like RE:Zero - but they did not do anything shitty ever in the whole damn run of the show. And then you go watch Bokurano and it kicks RE:Zero right in the balls just with its positively beautiful opening theme song. And don't get me started talking about Food Wars: Shokugeki No Soma! because I might not stop.

I don't understand why people LOVE this show so much. I know why they LIKE it; I like it, too. A lot. It's good. But it's just not THAT good.
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It's just you.

What bothers me about topics and threads like this in general are that people bring up things such as "Fanboys" and talk about how annoying they can be. But, then these same people go apeshit over shows like JoJo, Mob Psycho, OPM, Naruto, Gintama, Fairy Tail, One Piece, etc. And you're not allowed to talk bad about them. Oh no. That would be a travesty against anime and humanity.

Hasn't this very same fucking topic been done to death over shows like those?

People like what they like. Let people be fanboys. That's what this entire fucking hobby is about.
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Despite this being a bait thread i legit am making my first comment on the site just to explain my view on it. Obviously Spoilers.

What Re:Zero does well:

- Main character is not a mary sue. This is the main complain that burns people's biscuits and I like it. I've got 1947547 other anime to watch for some guy to end up being a special soul who is a world destroying force that surpasses the power of everyone around him in no time flat. I've also got other anime for clever solutions to problems. No, I'm watching this one to watch an average guy way over his head struggle, fail, and slowly grow and mature.


His Strength:

He's a normal guy who works out and is in good shape. I believe in one of the shorts he mentions bench pressing 80kg (roughly 175-180 lbs). He's not trained and not skilled and he's up against world shaping forces and powerful magic. Yeah, he can't go in there and Goku it, heck he can't even Krillin or Yamcha it. He has to work with what he's got. Being surrounded by more powerful people that generally means leveraging the people around him.


His intelligence/maturity:

He's young and he's again, just average. He's not a problem solver. He's just a dood that was wasting away at life. So yeah, he's often time stupid and immature and doesn't do or say what he needs to until he learns hard lessons, sometimes multiple times. This is reasonable. You average person honestly does stupid things on a daily basis and even older people tend to be fairly immature much less someone Subaru's age. Heck, go work tech support and you will lose your faith in humanities intelligence completely lol. But he's committed and thanks to that and his failures he manages to pull of great things in the long run.


His Magic:

Non-existent at this point in the series. He doesn't have actual magic. He has the equivalent of your car backfiring and putting out a ton of smoke. Only it really drains him and potentially hurts him.


The Emotional Struggle: This is the second most common complaint. Just suck it up and get over it Subaru! As if it's that easy. Bad stuff happens and it's not something you shake off and they don't unrealistically make him shake it off. To be honest with what he goes through he's actually unrealistically resilient. A normal person would prolly be a useless quivering wreck well before episode 10.

Watching him go to the world all sunshine and rainbows and then be put through things again and again that break the minds of people far older than him. As he goes from thinking its his own personal fantasy world where he is the hero, then reality setting in slowly, and then after accepting the reality his mental state eroding with every failure to the brink of madness, and he would have stayed in madness and despair too if it wasn't for Rem.




The Characters: Lovable core characters, good supporting characters.

Pretty much every character of the show that has any screen time is well executed and likable. Taking Subaru off the table the Emilia stereotype is actually common in anime, so I don't understand the hate. It's just framed differently here. Rem obviously has won a huge fanbase and and continue to grow and develop. But other characters are also likable and slowly being fleshed out as well. Reinhard, Roswall, Beatrice, Puck, Willhelm, Ferris, Julius, Crusch, Felt, etc and so forth.

They can't develop every character they have. They would need like 2 sister animes. They have tons of good characters and many of them hint alot at more behind them but the anime only has so much time and you still have to keep story pacing. And honestly, I've seen a good bit of anime and these characters in this show are alot less samey than I'm used to. Almost every one feels relatively unique and like I'm just touching the surface and seeing one side of them. Prolly the closest to a cliche without any fleshing out was Beetleguese who was well executed but definitely just playing the cliche part.


The Mystery. Every question this show answers just makes you want to make more and the plot, despite restarts, keeps giving you more information to answer old questions and prompt new ones quite rapidly. It's an almost overwhelming amount of knowledge at times.

There is so much to learn more about from puck to the witch to the sins and then watching the progressions of the characters on top of that. It feels like we are just scratching the surface of that world and the conflict that Subaru is caught up in. It even feels like we are still scratching the surface of what Subaru himself may be capable of one day. There is even little tiny sub plot questions like the conflicting ideals of chivalry vs non-chivalry and the story behind such things and they made a point to call out even that little small plot point.

Entertainment Value The show really does capitalize well on multiple entertainment ranges and hits a very large audience by running the gamut of emotions.

The show starts out very light hearted and comedic and it never loses comedic overtones. But it goes through mystery and despair, hope and madness, selfishness and anger, relief and frustration, pain and helplessness. It covers such a broad spectrum of emotions, and covers them well, on nearly every episode. It's honestly almost exhausting watching the anime because of that sometimes, it takes something out of you because it covers that range.

And alot of it is just alluded to as well. Like showing a character notice a shaking hand before entering a forest. Another anime would beat you over the head with "he's being brave...hey...hey he's being brave!!" but for Re:Zero that episode put it in the title and then let you put it together with a few quick observations lasting a split second each and only drove it home at the end of the episode where it was already so obvious that for the characters to not mention it would have been out of character.


Honestly it's just a well put together anime and haters gonna hate. It's not perfect, but no anime is.
I wouldn't say I'm a fan boy, mainly I just enjoy how fresh this show feels. It's good quality, well done, and a nice change of pace from overpowered protagonists or weak protagonists with overpowered friends/monsters/protector/etc that usually happen to be cute girls. It's also nice that out of all the girls only one has fallen for him though multiple have acknowledged him, instead of the normal "everyone loves the stupid normal guy!". I'm enjoying the struggle and failure. The journey.

Kind of how One Punch Man was a niche change of pace in more of a satirical direction.
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RE:Zero is popular because it has an easily digestible plot, a moderately fast pase most of the time, flashes of showy action, and a hook that pulls the audience along for the melodrama. And color coded cute girls with distinctive personalities and motivations.

The show is not without its flaws. But accessible action/ melodrama aimed at teens tends to be a popular genre, regardless of quality. Attack on Titan, SAO, etc. They all have attention grabbing starts, personal drama, and decent action sequences. I do think RE:Zero is above average with character development and varied action, leaving it with more staying power than the typical melodrama.
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What? Did you honestly think that your tastes should somehow correlate with everyone else's, and that you'd somehow have the same experience as the people who like it, myself included? Please, disconnect yourself from the delusion that having a differing opinion is phenomenal, much less, that you must compare your tastes with that of others. It's nothing special to like or dislike this show. Just do your own thing.


I've never understood the importance of demonstrating shallow solidarity over liking or disliking works of fiction.
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aeb0717 wrote:

I've never understood the importance of demonstrating shallow solidarity over liking or disliking works of fiction.

You're not a true anime fan if you don't share my opinions over entertainment pieces.
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aeb0717 wrote:

What? Did you honestly think that your tastes should somehow correlate with everyone else's, and that you'd somehow have the same experience as the people who like it, myself included? Please, disconnect yourself from the delusion that having a differing opinion is phenomenal, much less, that you must compare your tastes with that of others. It's nothing special to like or dislike this show. Just do your own thing.


I've never understood the importance of demonstrating shallow solidarity over liking or disliking works of fiction.


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It's just you.

What bothers me about topics and threads like this in general are that people bring up things such as "Fanboys" and talk about how annoying they can be. But, then these same people go apeshit over shows like JoJo, Mob Psycho, OPM, Naruto, Gintama, Fairy Tail, One Piece, etc. And you're not allowed to talk bad about them. Oh no. That would be a travesty against anime and humanity.

Hasn't this very same fucking topic been done to death over shows like those?

People like what they like. Let people be fanboys. That's what this entire fucking hobby is about.


First AnimeKami may seem to be a put-off but he has a good knowledge of anime and is quite funny !

So he gets to to voice his say. Not everybody is going to like or agree on anime! If one thing the Summer saeson is very divisive and was overrayed for the most part. A lot of SOL's are much better than the Marquee shows IMO

That being said I myself dropped this show because of Sunaru's whining despite being told he was going about it the wrong way 1
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Not half as over rated as Mob psycho 100
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Kami-sama raises valid points, but I like it anway.

It is a lot like watching someone play a video game since what Subaru is effectively doing is exploring ways to make a timeline follow the exact branches he wants them to, which is exactly what someone playing a video game targeting a particular ending or achievement does. I can see how that would get monotonous after a while, reviewing the same scenes and character introductions over, and over, and over, sometimes with only slight differences. I can quite easily see how that could get old fast, leaving the viewer frustrated that there's no significant plot progression. But here's the thing about me: I enjoyed "Endless Eight". Like, legitimately enjoyed it. I had fun looking for any little differences I could find, and I got really excited when I found them. What's more, I liked the artistic purpose the arc seems to serve. So it's not a burden, it's not a strain, for me to see Subaru meet up with the same three knobheads and either rescue someone or get rescued over, and over, and over again as long as there's a larger narrative reason he ought to, and there is one.

What's more, I don't particularly think of Subaru as weak, spineless, and cowardly. He can be those things, but he's also allowed to shine in crowning moments of courage and self-sacrifice when he needs to. There's an episode that specifically addresses this in great detail. I can see how he'd be frustrating since he whines and complains a lot, can sometimes take a while to arrive at conclusions that really should've been obvious if he'd given matters some thought, and has a tendency to act impulsively even when he knows he shouldn't, but I don't mind all of that so much since he acts how I'd imagine lots of people would if they were suddenly cast into a fantasy world with nothing but the tracksuit on their back and a grocery bag of instant ramen to their name. That just gives him room to grow.

Sure, death technically doesn't mean anything to him since he'll just revive at some point in the recent past, but death is still painful and frightening to him. He also loses any progress he's made that he'd like to retain when this happens, does not know when a return point has been set, and has no power to set return points himself. Finally, his power doesn't apply to anyone but himself, and if a return point gets set before he can die and bring someone he wanted to survive back to life they're dead forever. So there are stakes, they're just lowered compared to what death usually entails. I can see how that would be distasteful for some, but the truth of the matter is that character death in Re: Zero still has an impact on me.




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Subaru needs to pay more attention to best girl Betelgeuse instead of running around having an affair with the horny oni.


So you're saying you'd rather get a hand job from a shifty psycho who'd just as soon kill you as kiss you than settle down with a lovable, loyal ball and chain?
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I think it's partly because people have been crying out for a dark and edgy anime for a while now, and they're hard to write. Unlike a horror movie, it's hard to generate shock unless you go down the psychological route, and that usually means killing off your characters. But if you kill off your characters, you either have to replace them with something better, or worse, run the risk of readers getting so pissed off they drop the material.

It's so simple that's I'm surprised no ones done it before. I can see this becoming a genre in its own right - the time loop story with the gory, nasty wrong paths.

The author has shown he can write a really complicated plot driven series. It's a shame some of that got lost in the anime. Arc 2 in the manga read more like a murder mystery, with Subaru as the corpse, and it's a shame the twists and turns weren't delivered as effectively. Having said that, in the manga, I always felt like everyone hated him.
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It's so simple that's I'm surprised no ones done it before. I can see this becoming a genre in its own right - the time loop story with the gory, nasty wrong paths.



When you said "time loop story with the gory, nasty wrong paths." a completely different anime/story came to my mind LOL. This is coming from a Ryukishi07 fan hint hint.
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I liked it from the first episode.

Honestly I'm not all that sure why I'm still watching it, after hating so many episodes.

But I MUST say it has something that draws you back to it, that no matter how much you hate Subaru with all of you. You keep watching to see where this idiot is going to end up and what about the other people around him. Like I honestly have way more interest in this Witch and Emilia's twin like looks, Rem & Ram, and ALL the other girls involved in the selection. And less interest in following Subaru's story.

(though the sin of pride accusation does start to make him a bit more interesting and makes most sense)

I do not believe that this is a great show. At all. I do not believe I have hated a main character in my life as much as I HATE Subaru. And the plot did not move fast at first, it's speeding up now thank GOD. But still over all id rate this show a good 6.5 MAYBE 7 out of 10
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