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I was in Japan when I saw an episode. Before that I never even knew the show existed, but I don't stay regularly updated on the newest shows (except when I'm in Japan). I thought Thunderbolt Fantasy was a hoot, definitely the most ingenious, unique thing I've seen in a while. While I discovered it, I was thinking "wow I hope this makes a splash in North America, I know people will rave about it just because it's so different but it's also magical samurai warriors and zombies and other cool stuff like that."
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Story-wise this is one of the best of the season. Cast-wise it may be one of the best of the past several years. The mixture of the skilled puppetry and CG effects looks absolutely gorgeous. But sadly I'm quite certain a large chunk of people can't get past the use of puppets. I'm betting if it were animated it'd get a lot more attention.
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Posted 9/3/16

biopower wrote:

Because they talk and talk and talk and talk...


Sounds like Dragon Ball Z to me. XD
For real i loved that show as a kid but looking at it now, I'm like how did i enjoy that?
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Posted 9/4/16 , edited 9/4/16

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That said, I agree with two of the above commenters - the lack of lip movement in most scenes is irksome. The puppets can move their lower lip, but it generally isn't done. Even Gerry Anderson ( Thunderbirds) knew to have a solenoid in the mouth to keep the lip movement happening during dialogue.


Thunderbirds was done with marionettes which operate differently than puppets. The way the puppets are designed, as well as their size and operation, are more than likely what leave them with limited lip movement. I have watched clips of other similar type shows by Plini and it is much the same, dialogue with limited lip movement. The gestures of the puppets are what convey the words. At first, it was a little odd to me as well, but I got used to it and don't even notice it anymore.

For those that complain that Thunderbolt Fantasy is dialogue heavy, I think that the various characters are all so nuanced, with their own philosophies and beliefs that, much like a wuxia film/series, it gives not only you the viewer, but also the other characters a glimpse into who they are and their motivations. It isn't unusual in wuxia for the two main characters who are at odds with one another to come face to face and give their reasons for their actions, giving the other party a chance to back out before their disagreement comes to blows. Personally, I also think that it is a mark of a more mature show, that takes time to let the characters show who they are and why they do what they do.
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For those that complain that Thunderbolt Fantasy is dialogue heavy, I think that the various characters are all so nuanced, with their own philosophies and beliefs that, much like a wuxia film/series, it gives not only you the viewer, but also the other characters a glimpse into who they are and their motivations. It isn't unusual in wuxia for the two main characters who are at odds with one another to come face to face and give their reasons for their actions, giving the other party a chance to back out before their disagreement comes to blows. Personally, I also think that it is a mark of a more mature show, that takes time to let the characters show who they are and why they do what they do.


I too was thinking something along these lines. The characters - well, most of them - are aware of their own selves: who they are, what that means for how they live, and what they're trying to accomplish. And the show points this out itself: As the Screaming Phoenix Killer says in his conversation with Shang, "Only amateurs think battles begin after swords are drawn." Just like our own lives, the battles only make sense in terms of what goes before them: who the characters are, what happens to them - what they talk about. Thunderbolt Fantasy does this incredibly well. I would be surprised if any other show this season were better.
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Posted 9/8/16 , edited 9/11/16

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I was just wondering if I was the only one to find Thunderbolt Fantasy to be terribly underrated. This is like one of the best shows this season. Why aren't people talking about it more!?


Because the description sucks. When they describe the show by raving about who worked on it and what they've done in the past, that's a pretty good indicator that this particular project was NOBODY'S best work.

Literally, the description amounts to "This show is what you get when you let this guy work with that company." They don't even say you get something good - just, you know. You get THIS.
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Posted 9/11/16 , edited 9/11/16
I think it's funny that this joke thread has better discussion of Thunderbolt Fantasy than the actual discussion thread.

But anyways, Shawn showed me the first ep of this show and I appreciate it because I am all caught up now. Wuxia puppets wasn't something I knew I needed in my life but apparently it is.

My favorite thing about the show is the costumes, btw. They are absolutely amazing. I mean look at the detail. It's incredible.

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I haven't had a chance to check out the show yet, because I've been watching other anime and stuff, but I am highly interested in watching it, especially with who's attached with the show, Gen Urobuchi and Hiroyuki Sawano, and because everything I've heard about it has been pretty much positive. I've loved everything that I've seen or read that Urobuchi's written, and I've loved Sawano's music in everything that I've heard it in.

And for those who are complaining about too much dialogue, have you watched an Urobuchi written anime before? Most, if not all of, his stories tend to be dialogue heavy, but that's one of the things I love about his writing, since I consider it to be what I call 'smart writing.' It's philosophical and makes you really think about things usually, unlike some of the spoon fed crap that's mostly out there where they feel they have to explain everything. His stories tend to explain only what is needed and let you fill in the blanks for the rest of it, while also giving great insight into what the characters are doing and why, but not all at once as to overload you. I do understand the whole mouths not moving complaint though, because that might bother me when I do watch it.
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