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Your focus on the negative and doubting of the positive aspects is proof positive you can't tolerate the position BLM takes.

Let's ask a very important question here.

What are the positions BLM takes?


So how are you going counter them if you don't know what they stand for?

More accountability for cops (body cameras, trials for unjust killings)
Better justice system (blacks are incarcerated more often and for longer)



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Posted 8/31/16 , edited 8/31/16
I was asking for his personal opinion, but thanks for saving me the trouble.


MysticGon wrote:

More accountability for cops (body cameras, trials for unjust killings)
Better justice system (blacks are incarcerated more often and for longer)

And educate yourself via the above link.
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I would doubt BLM had much to do with the police getting cameras then tech being cheaper and had much issues before, so they needed something easy and a good way to handle things.
So that they made that into a "requirement" to help things a long, is that not so?
I can't say, that I have heard much about anything BLM has done.
Some could be fine, some can be negative or just pissing the general public right off.

Sure they can have sort of a good thing or why it was created, does that mean they are dealing with such things?
When would they really have a stance that looks good and plays good then a disorientated childish mess that creates problems?




Edit: Compressed for the benefit of mobile users.

Edit 2:

Here's the official Black Lives Matter website's principles page. It's vague as hell, but the issues I've mentioned are ones the movement has consistently stressed.

http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/
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It's just the past. Y'know, with slavery 'n' crap. Apparently, it just gives some people the social right to do some dumb shit while some other dumb shits can't do that dumb shit. It's just shit, y'know?
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I should delete this post. Don't see where I was really off the mark, but rather it appears to be a knee jerk reaction best left untranslated.
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Long of it short? The triablism needs to end on both sides of this thing, or things are just going to keep getting worse. BLM has legitimate complaints and has offered meaningful solutions, so it shouldn't be written off. Meanwhile, the people within BLM who have written police officers off as enemies by default need to understand that there are good, intelligent, honourable professionals working on police forces, and that while some departments are indeed full of problems (some including racism) another aspect of the problem is that police officers are working under circumstances that are not at all enviable.

See that? That, right there, is how the people behind WLM hook people. That is what they're counting on, how they want the issue to be framed. From there they try to convince you that their white supremacist views are just the natural consequence of everything else. They give you a cause to fight for and an enemy to fight against, and they exploit your frustrations, your fears, and any suffering in your past to recruit you further and further into their villainy. This is how a lot of people become white supremacists, and that is why WLM is not merely worse than BLM, it is dangerous.

They're politically tempting because short, catchy group names that are easy to remember, easy to understand, and are easy to both spread and get to stick. Activists wanting to make headway quickly don them for that reason. In BLM's case, to raise the issues I mentioned. In WLM's case, for recruiting purposes for their backers.
I guess they have gotten some, but what they keep bringing up (like demands every now and then).
Also much of this is what I already tried to say.

Even though I have seen mulitple cops saying that they was a bit scared of it first but think it was nice after time (don't know what place it was from)
Still don't know much they are doing or have done then creating like you said what the WLM does by those who had issues before or someone from a groupe surrounding BLM.
Why I don't like either of them, unless BLM at least did things more civil and had maybe a "strong leader", not one who would make/take sides but one who would put things into place and have control.

I would say both could be quite dangerous.
also this thing, I am very disappointed in those other cops just looking at whats going on....
https://youtu.be/Yuvob8y4qVQ

wish I could beat some of those guys up to pieces...

I don't really want to say that every cop has some focus on race (depends on the area they are in ofc), but that many of them don't care or follow the "rules" or to be a decent human being in some cases (3 - 4 guys standing ontop of a unharmed person and might kill them)
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

I was asking for his personal opinion, but thanks for saving me the trouble.


MysticGon wrote:

More accountability for cops (body cameras, trials for unjust killings)
Better justice system (blacks are incarcerated more often and for longer)

And educate yourself via the above link.


Well that went nowhere. How can you even hope to understand the other side if you run and hide whenever you are pressed?
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There is actually no proof that the BLM are doing what the right-wing are claiming that they are doing; the shooting against polices are not proven to have connection to BLM. As I said again, the BLM likely had their accounts being hacked by white supremacist who are further setting up fake black nationalist organization online to promote 'black violence' and gain sympathy for violent racist white people. This 'white live matter' group are armed protesters in contrast with BLM who are never actually confirmed to be armed. I found some irony here: first, the white supremacist claim that the black activists should not defend themselves with guns because that will 'give them a twisted sense of pride and make them no different from the white terrorists' (although they mainly said it in a fake or stolen identities); now, the white supremacists are trying to imitate an oppressor that may not even exist. The white supremacists should not always complain about how some news are pro-black just because those news do not always present scenario where violence against black is rational.
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MysticGon wrote:

Well that went nowhere. How can you even hope to understand the other side if you run and hide whenever you are pressed?

Haha! Their policies are too hard for you to read, eh?


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More accountability for cops (body cameras, trials for unjust killings)


Platform>End The War on Black People

7. An end to the mass surveillance of Black communities, and the end to the use of technologies that criminalize and target our communities (including IMSI catchers, drones, body cameras, and predictive policing software).




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Better justice system (blacks are incarcerated more often and for longer)


Platform>End The War on Black People

4. An end to the use of past criminal history to determine eligibility for housing, education, licenses, voting, loans, employment, and other services and needs.

10. Until we achieve a world where cages are no longer used against our people we demand an immediate change in conditions and an end to public jails, detention centers, youth facilities and prisons as we know them. This includes the end of solitary confinement, the end of shackling of pregnant people, access to quality healthcare, and effective measures to address the needs of our youth, queer, gender nonconforming and trans families.


Platform>Community Control

1. Direct democratic community control of local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies, ensuring that communities most harmed by destructive policing have the power to hire and fire officers, determine disciplinary action, control budgets and policies, and subpoena relevant agency information.


Platform>Invest-Divest

1. A reallocation of funds at the federal, state and local level from policing and incarceration (JAG, COPS, VOCA) to long-term safety strategies such as education, local restorative justice services, and employment programs.


I gotta go. Read the rest of the damn thing yourself or don't bother me.
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Straight from the horse's mouth...

http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

You see only what you want to see and write off any other views. Walk like a duck, quack like a duck... Yeah your closet must be getting lonely.

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The same can be said due to some of the actions connected to BLM though, at least some of the actions people ASSUME to be connected to it.

While some people within "WLM" are definitely in there just to hate, to me it seems to be more of an "I wanna be 'special' too" type thing.
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MrAnimeSK wrote:

So sick of all this race shit.


You and me both.
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TrickedMJ wrote:

The same can be said due to some of the actions connected to BLM though, at least some of the actions people ASSUME to be connected to it.

While some people within "WLM" are definitely in there just to hate, to me it seems to be more of an "I wanna be 'special' too" type thing.


That's essentially racial nationalism and perhaps racial pride in a nutshell.


A former white supremacist puts it eloquently...

If you are busy drinking and fighting all the time, you accomplish nothing, so then need to attach yourself vicariously to the success of other white people as a source of your 'pride.' But it is utter hypocrisy.
—Singer (and former white supremacist) George Burdi.


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