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You may be surprised to hear, but I've read some of Shapiro's works, and occasionally descend into the hellhole known as Breitbart to hear Milo, so it came as a surprise when these two clashed over their ideologies and support for Trump and Cruz. Specifically, the Alt Right, what it is, and how Breitbart is becoming a mainstay of it.


So here is what Wiki has to say.


The alt-right has no official ideology. The Associated Press stated that there is "no one way to define its ideology"]and the BBC has called it an "amorphous movement".The alt-right has been said to include elements of white nationalism, white supremacism, antisemitism, right-wing populism, nativism, and the neoreactionary movement.
Jeet Heer of The New Republic identified the alt-right as having ideological origins among paleoconservatives, particularly with respect to restricting immigration and supporting a more openly nationalistic foreign policy. Newsday columnist Cathy Young also noted the alt-right's strong opposition to both legal and illegal immigration and its hard-line stance on the European migrant crisis. Robert Tracinski of The Federalist has written that the alt-right opposes miscegenation and advocates collectivism and tribalism. Nicole Hemmer stated on NPR that political correctness is seen by the alt-right as "the greatest threat to their liberty."

Commonalities shared across the loosely-defined alt-right include disdain for mainstream politics and support for Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.



Some has dismissed them as online trolls voicing their opinion in the most offensive ways possible due to a distaste for all political correctness, and as such a great deal of apparent racism is said to originate in these movements. Yiannopoulos regularly uses internet terms and memes and politically incorrect language in order to appeal to these movements, some say.

So what do you think? Here's some readings on the subject.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/08/29/the-alt-right-explained-in-its-own-words/

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

http://www.npr.org/2016/08/26/491452721/the-history-of-the-alt-right\




My opinion?


I wouldn't have given it much thought. The internet is full of racist trolls, so what? Though it humored/troubled me when Shapiro, an ardent Conservative, faced backlash for being too "Soft" ala "cuckservative", and I think that's ridiculous.

His response is in this piece he wrote himself, which honestly? I think really helps me understand why many people are turned off by the Republican party, by defining what is wrong with the alt+right.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/4396/responding-alt-right-are-they-bigots-or-just-ben-shapirop

Basically, he thinks it is childish for people to take offense to facts, such as higher incarceration rate of blacks to the mental stress experienced by transgenders or the higher domestic abuse rate among gays. However, it seems he also thinks it childish for trolls to post comments that are racism and anti Semiticism, and that by enshrining them as a type of freedom fighting under the guise of political incorrectness, and then making fun of people who do get offended by this, is dumb.

"The self-aggrandizing belief that trolling Microsoft Artificial Intelligence bots on Twitter into tweeting about the wonders of Hitler somehow strikes a blow for free speech is sheer fantasy. It’s teenage puerility. It’s damn dumb."

In essence, there is a difference between simply voicing an unpleasant truth to all out bigotry enshrouded in cherry picked untruths.

You know what? I think he's right! And I am considerably in opposition to his transgender stance or his vote for Cruz, but he is absolutely right.

There is also a quick summary by SPLC decrying the alt right as racist, and here it is.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/08/25/whose-alt-right-it-anyway

If I missed anything or you got anything for me to read, quote!
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Do any of you people read?
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I read it all. However, the average forum poster isn't going to bother to whip up a reply worthy of a wall of text like this. Even more won't bother to read it.

It's hard to find the motivation to type a decent reply.
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The only Milo that should exist is

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I'm sure that we read, but I'm not going to read those articles. I don't care about the 'alt right', and that isn't the kind of mad I want to get soaked in right now.

The things you said about Shapiro seem to be more or less on point, though. Teaching the Microsoft chatbot to glorify Hitler is juvenile and stupid, not really 'free speech'. It is sort of childish to be offended by facts simply because the facts are things you don't want to believe. It's more useful to be offended by those facts being used to proliferate a position that has no basis in reality.
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Alt Right can best be summed up as.....

What ever the main stream media doesn't say it is. I mean if you think about it, it isn't "White Nationalism" so much as anti-worthless people. The didn't have any issue with Dr. Ben, or Queen Milo did they?
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gornotck wrote:

I'm sure that we read, but I'm not going to read those articles. I don't care about the 'alt right', and that isn't the kind of mad I want to get soaked in right now.

The things you said about Shapiro seem to be more or less on point, though. Teaching the Microsoft chatbot to glorify Hitler is juvenile and stupid, not really 'free speech'. It is sort of childish to be offended by facts simply because the facts are things you don't want to believe. It's more useful to be offended by those facts being used to proliferate a position that has no basis in reality.


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I feel like its not really possible to define the alt-right, but I will say that I am seeing a lot of ugliness in the right which seems to espouse that the only logical counter to "PC culture" is to be an arrogant dickbag. Like showing any sort of human decency means that you are a leftist shill.

I guess I agree with Shapiro here
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Liberals seem intent on defining the Trump movement as something offensive and it just doesn't stick.

If you want to define this movement it's the Anti-Regressive movement. It's pro free speech, anti PC-culture, anti government, anti globalist, pro working class, anti welfare, and pro free thought. We tend to hate China for their trade war against us and hate our politicians for being so weak that they won't push back and say NO!
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Don't know anything about Sharpiro, but I'll admit I like Milo. I'm sick and tired of the "everything offends/triggers me" culture. It's getting to the point where you can't say anything without someone whining about their feelings, this definitely wasn't this bad 5 years ago.
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Alt-right is more or less overly provocative as a response for the overly sensitive PC police from the left, it's exactly down to "every action will have an equal and opposite reaction". IMO. Also Ben Shapiro is a very smart guy but don't focus too much on what he says regarding Milo, they have a personal history that I notice tends to sway Shapiro's views in an effort to discredit whatever Milo says.

Also Hillary has suggested Alt-Right and Milo and Ben both are subjects to Dark Lord Putin, just throwing that out there because it gives me a good chuckle.

Also not part of the alt-right before anyone jumps my bones for it.
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I think the so called alt-right is not as big as Liberals make it out to be. While there is a growing movement on websites like InfoWars or Breitbart I think a lot of people agree with some of their views not because they are in political agreement, but rather just plain fed up with everything.
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Alt-right is unsophisticated slang for 4chan. Fucking hilarious that they made it into the general election.
Posted 8/31/16
Milo is fun to watch.
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