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Donald Trump sued Bill Maher for making a joke about his appeals to "birther" conspiracy theories:
it was funny
https://youtu.be/wc0JJi71MEc
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You know, I feel as if Yiannopoulos wants to demonstrate a point on political correctness, but Shapiro's words about people taking offense at the egregious of offenses has a point, not sure. What point does Milo want to make? I'm not quite sure I understand his view, even after watching the Reuben Report.


Milo's sole purpose, for better and for worse, is to open the gates of acceptable topics to discuss publicly as wide as possible. That will include a lot of bad stuff, but it will also include a lot of things that were suppressed for very silly reasons.
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Excuse me, but who do you think you are to speak for me...? Go sit down and let me explain why you're egregiously wrong.

I've had so many fools over this election try to use the "If you're not supporting Trump you're supporting Hillary" gibberish towards me I've found myself refuting it on reflex. Okay, let's say that's true; you do realize that only works in that the inverse is also true ("not supporting Hillary is supporting Trump")...? Obviously, you can't support both of them and neither of them at the same time. So au contraire, the one whose argument is built on illogical prefaces is yours. I support NEITHER and therefore neither has my support. To claim that not supporting either is in fact supporting both is nothing more than magical thinking and non-reason born of "it's this way because we say it is".

Oh, here's the interesting think for you to consider... you do know that Hillary recieved 250k from your golden boy through the Clinton Foundation, yes...? And that she attended his wedding and then later claimed he was a bigot while Trump accused her of the same?

Face it. Both are liars, both are lawless, both are lousy human beings all around. Don't you, your family and your future progeny deserve better than two self-absorbed imbeciles to choose from in the main parties...?

Let me show you a bit of video footage, if you're not afraid to challenge your thinking, to show how logic shows NEITHER are fit for the office and how agrarian mob-think DOES NOT CHANGE THAT FACT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkbb4EmSC6U


It does not work if the inverse is true. Hillary is establishment and has the support of the current administration. She has the media and all major networks on her side. YouTube just started demonetizing videos that criticize her (they are supposed to do the same from trump videos but surprise, they only demonetized the ones that praise him). I'm not even going to list off the number off methods used to get illegal votes cast and counted for democratic nominees.

So yes, every vote not cast for her opponent is a vote cast for her. An army of lemmings can and will defeat an army of lions if all but one lion lays down and lets them have their way.

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Link to MSNBC... get a hold of yourself.


I'm very amused how you proved yourself small-minded and unreasonable just now. Did you even bother to click the link...? That was a clip from MSNBC, yes... but it featured Steve Deace, who is an argent patriot and constitutionalist who has railed against the rot in this country... no matter where it comes from.

I'm also very amused at how your only argument is essentially "he's not her, vote for him". Well, I'm not Hillary either. Would you vote for me. You aren't Hillary either, and I certainly wouldn't vote for you.

I'm also sad to see you choose a comforting lie and intellectual dishonesty over truth; you're so cravenly afraid of Hillary that you refuse to do your due dilligence of her donor, Donald Trump, for fear that you might find a truth that conflicts with your narrative.

So be it; you can vote for him if you want, but you'd be nothing but a liar to claim you're some kind of moral paragon or champion for championing one gilded turd over the other.


While Hilary is lying and having press releases calling trump a racist Trump is going over to Mexico to talk about building that wall and stopping the flow of illegal goods across our borders and shifting trade from China to Mexico. Hillary has been absent for months while Trump is out acting like a president and talking with foreign leaders. Hillary is begging people for more money....

Trump at least stands behind what he says, Hillary switches sides depending on the time of day. Look at the Pacific trade Treaty that hillary was a major supporter of and now says she is against it.


You're missing the point... BOTH are liars! BOTH are rotten... and FYI, Trump donated 250k to the Hillary's little slush fund... gee, I wonder why he doesn't want his tax returns released like every other candidate has done throughout history to show where their funding is going...?

Also, as somebody who lives in southern NJ... if you think Trump is honest, you're a fool. That man ruined thousands of careers here and helped further an already-troubled Atlantic City down into a hole, which put Atlantic County in a financial tailspin. Trump took a surplus and overspent it by hundreds of millions of dollars with no way of making it back (which in the business world is rather foolish). He was so incompetent that the board of directors of Trump Entertainment and Resorts ran him off the board as CEO and tried in vain to save his four failed casinos (the first of which, the Taj, just closed and put thousands out of work), while he walked out the backdoor and stuck us with the bill using loopholes in bankruptcy laws.

The point of this election is not "would you rather him or her", but rather "do you want to follow the Hamilton rule where you can unite as a people against a government you know to be evil, or do you want to tell yourself comforting lies and worship a strong-man and hope in vain that he's not exactly the same despite the mounting evidence"? Guess what other countries have tried the strong-man approach historically...? Israel (King Saul), Rome (Caesar as dictator), Russia (Lenin), Germany (Hitler), France (Napoleon), Venezuela (Chavez), Cuba (Castro), North Korea (the Kim dynsasty cult), Mainland China (Chairman Mao). Guess what ALWAYS resulted? Tyranny, loss of life, loss of liberty and crushing poverty with no freedom of enterprise and prosperity.

The strong-man approach DOES NOT WORK. It never has, it never will. THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS TO FIXING AMERICA AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.

Trump is toast; he has alienated the very base he claims to be fighting for, and Hillary is leading massively in the polls; by double digits in some places. This election is both a gut-check and what I believe as a Christian as nothing short of a divine judgement sent on an America that not only rejects God, but mocks him regularly and commits great evil in His sight. We've made this bed for ourselves due to our own foolishness and stupidity and apathy; there is NOBODY TO BLAME FOR THE STATE OF THIS COUNTRY BUT OURSELVES. The sooner people realize this and turn to the truth, the better. Agrianism, mobocracy and nationalism will not work, because they ignore the fact that the moral and ethical pillars that held up our society have been knocked away, and they are vainly and foolishly trying to replace stone with sand.
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It was funny, but that's beside my point. My point is that Donald Trump is harder into "political correctness" than SJWs. He sued Bill Maher and threatened to sue The Onion for telling jokes about him. He has promised to open up the libel laws to make such efforts easier for him. He took time out of a Republican primary debate to assure the audience he doesn't have a small penis. He gets into Twitter fights with anyone who sends him even the slightest bit of criticism. He sends pictures of his hands to people who've called them small alongside notes talking about how big they are. A leaked campaign volunteer contract indicated that he forbids his staff from ever publicly subjecting him to any criticism again for the rest of their lives. He very much appears to have written a letter talking about his supposedly fantastic personal health and recruited a doctor to put his name on it.

The people who say they're against political correctness have rallied behind one of the most politically correct people imaginable. It's a trick.
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It was funny, but that's beside my point. My point is that Donald Trump is harder into "political correctness" than SJWs. He sued Bill Maher and threatened to sue The Onion for telling jokes about him. He has promised to open up the libel laws to make such efforts easier for him. He took time out of a Republican primary debate to assure the audience he doesn't have a small penis. He gets into Twitter fights with anyone who sends him even the slightest bit of criticism. He sends pictures of his hands to people who've called them small alongside notes talking about how big they are. A leaked campaign volunteer contract indicated that he forbids his staff from ever publicly subjecting him to any criticism again for the rest of their lives. He very much appears to have written a letter talking about his supposedly fantastic personal health and recruited a doctor to put his name on it.

The people who say they're against political correctness have rallied behind one of the most politically correct people imaginable. It's a trick.


I agree with almost everything you have said. The only caveat I would add is that Trump is so ridiculous, so overreaching, and so arrogant that he will accomplish virtually nothing. He will degrade the office of the presidency. I see this as a good thing (by no means take this as an endorsement. I'm not voting for him). A weakened presidency is exactly what this country needs. So if he wins, which is completely up in the air at this point, he will accomplish two things: 1.) He will widen acceptable discourse in the public sphere through his brash frankness; and 2.) he will ruin himself and accomplish almost zilch (this is under the presumption that he even has a legislative agenda; I don't think he really does). I would say that this is exactly why many people who oppose SJW's like him. Sure he has totalitarian tendencies, but none of it comes under the guise of "caring for one's neighbor and their feelings." That makes it easier to attack and oppose unlike SJW's. Simultaneously, he himself is easy to call out or force into a situation of gridlock in terms of his own excesses.
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I agree with almost everything you have said. The only caveat I would add is that Trump is so ridiculous, so overreaching, and so arrogant that he will accomplish virtually nothing. He will degrade the office of the presidency. I see this as a good thing (by no means take this as an endorsement. I'm not voting for him). A weakened presidency is exactly what this country needs. So if he wins, which is completely up in the air at this point, he will accomplish two things: 1.) He will widen acceptable discourse in the public sphere through his brash frankness; and 2.) he will ruin himself and accomplish almost zilch (this is under the presumption that he even has a legislative agenda; I don't think he really does). I would say that this is exactly why many people who oppose SJW's like him. Sure he has totalitarian tendencies, but none of it comes under the guise of "caring for one's neighbor and their feelings." That makes it easier to attack and oppose unlike SJW's. Simultaneously, he himself is easy to call out or force into a situation of gridlock in terms of his own excesses.


I'm glad we're mostly in agreement, and I see where you're coming from, but I'm looking at this thing slightly differently.

I'm not so sure that Trump is, deliberately or not, really as much expanding the Overton window as he is shifting it. Where previously it was acceptable to express offence at deliberately incendiary remarks and it was unacceptable to make them there is now an ongoing attempt to reverse this dynamic in the name of fighting "political correctness", with substantive complaints being washed away alongside the vapid ones made by SJWs. We see this when people who complain that they've been targeted for verbal abuse and/or harassment on the basis of their LGBT status, race/ethnicity, national origin, or whatever else are berated as "weak" and "childish" for having complained and those who abused/harassed them are congratulated as "champions of free expression" who live in the "real world" for having attacked them without hesitation, fear, or shame. When that happens at the societal scale, as the people backing Trump because he's "politically incorrect" seem to want it to do, one view of the issue is shoved out of the Overton window while another is pulled in, amounting to a shift rather than an expansion. This view makes sense of why white supremacists would be particularly excited about Trump's candidacy, because his outward crusade against "political correctness" provides headwinds for their recruitment efforts and grants them an opportunity to push their political opponents out of the ring in the process.

Which brings us to your second point: that Trump will accomplish nothing. Having seen Trump in action over the course of the last year I can assuredly agree with you that he has no apparent substantive agenda or concrete policy objectives whatsoever. He has paid lip service to right-wing authoritarianism, but there is basically no certainty that any of those ideas are his own and there's even less certainty that he's personally committed to realising those ideas. Here's the part that worries me: he has proven himself to be extremely easy to manipulate, there are people close to him who do want to accomplish those objectives, and they are beginning to learn how to get him to do what they want him to. He's apparently still a tough character to completely control since he goes wandering off in the weeds and posts inappropriate things on his Twitter feed or makes off-the-cuff remarks that end up landing him in trouble, but people like Conway and Bannon seem to be figuring out how to get that see-saw to swing at the rhythm they need it to. That speaks to the possibility of a Trump administration very much serving as a force for advancing far-right policy initiatives even if Trump is himself in way over his head.
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