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A painful exchange with a young student who's organizing for free public colleges, cancellation of all student debt and $15/hour minimum wage for all campus employees. She doesn't really know how to pay for it, unfortunately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmji36q8E4o

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You pay for it by cutting taxes and raising government spending, obviously.
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You pay for it by hiring less and making them do the jobs of three $7 an hour people!
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Rujikin wrote:
She doesn't really know how to pay for it, unfortunately.


Sure she does..

You see, there's this tree...

and growing on it is....



Oh wait. Am I remembering that wrong?
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To be fair paying for college is getting ridiculous so I can understand her frustration even though I understand her ideas aren't the greatest.. I'm from one of those families that makes too much to qualify for any aid other than loans, but to little to actually afford anything. Worked 100/hr a week off semesters and about 30 on, while taking 6-7 classes. I guess I am one of the lucky ones who made it, (barely) but there are only so many hours in a week. I believe we are finally reaching a point where many college bound students from working and lower middle class families are giving up on going to college and at best case scenario pursuing a high skilled trade and at worst scenario accept that a dead end job is the only thing the future holds for them.
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Yeah, the college system is a bit broken when it comes to costs. I don't think free public college for everyone is a great idea, but I do think that public colleges need to find a way to greatly reduce costs, and that might (or almost certainly would) include raising taxes. Cancellation of student debt is also a concept which I don't think works at that extreme, but I do think that part of the effort to reducing the cost of public colleges should go towards helping people who have already graduated.

Basically the point is that the system is fucked and you don't need to have all the answers to raise that point.
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sundin13 wrote:

Yeah, the college system is a bit broken when it comes to costs. I don't think free public college for everyone is a great idea, but I do think that public colleges need to find a way to greatly reduce costs, and that might (or almost certainly would) include raising taxes. Cancellation of student debt is also a concept which I don't think works at that extreme, but I do think that part of the effort to reducing the cost of public colleges should go towards helping people who have already graduated.

Basically the point is that the system is fucked and you don't need to have all the answers to raise that point.


Well bloated administration and turning campuses into playgrounds for the rich isn't helping. Every year I see more and more made up 6 figure office positions as well as bells and whistles that don't do much to better education. Schools that spend millions of dollars on state of the art gyms, cafes, rock climbing walls, pools etc. and then claim they don't impact tuition are entirely full of it.

It's not teachers salaries that's the problems, most adjuncts in my area make so little they are on government assistance and often don't own cars and even tenure professors in most fields are making under 60k and even the highest paid ones probably aren't breaking 100. There is definitely a few money holes in the current higher education system and any policy needs to target these or no about of additional tax money is going to solve the problem.
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Lmao just take money from people forcefully.

Like the government does, and spend it without anyone saying a thing, like the government does.


Or better yet just get people to work for you for free in exchange for their ability to live, that's another option, the price of your life is your payment, now work you dog! You know how much money you would save?

Just steal money from people, like scamming people, going door to door posing as someone else and taking people for fools, how about that? Cause I see a lot of that, and it's happening in our world on a daily, but hey at least we get money for it so fuck people right? Isn't that such a good idea thatS already happening ?

Let's just create the lottery and watch as hopeless people pay into every week like a subscription even though they won't get anything from it, let's do that for about 20 years of our life, oh hey look it actually works!

Oh there are soo many ways to make free college possible. Wouldn't it be funny if college was free? Instead of it being a deductible it would just be considered income and just take away all of your earnings, so in all reality you will be left with no money in your pockets and it will be put right into the government's hands again while you are given awesome interest rates. Wouldn't free college be fantastic!? But don't worry kids, apply your dreams.


isn't the world such a fantastic place to live in? Sunshine loli pops and rainbows, disease bankruptcy and famine !

But hey, just put ratchet on a Fucking shirt and you're a millionaire. Wow such profit, much skill, so entrepreneur.

BRB going to make my own clothing line. I'll put free college on a shirt, Fuckin rolling in the money already.


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Denmark, Germany, Norway, Sweden, France, Malta and even Brazil etc; plenty of countries do it including countries that do just as well or better than America in the OECD world education rankings.

Yes the girl in that video hadn't a ****ing baldy what she was talking about and how state funded/subsidised education works but fundamentally it can, does and will continue to work in other countries so I don't see why it couldn't in America.

(And before anyone brings economy into it Ireland ranks higher than the US in the OECD PPP Per Capita rankings surprisingly and isn't exactly running away with it that far ahead of other countries listed above either!)
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lorreen wrote:


Rujikin wrote:
She doesn't really know how to pay for it, unfortunately.


Sure she does..

You see, there's this tree...

and growing on it is....



Oh wait. Am I remembering that wrong?


No your remembering it right. On trees grow oranges and oranges trade in the futures market: http://www.barchart.com/commodityfutures/Orange_Juice_Futures/OJ?search=OJ*


sundin13 wrote:

Yeah, the college system is a bit broken when it comes to costs. I don't think free public college for everyone is a great idea, but I do think that public colleges need to find a way to greatly reduce costs, and that might (or almost certainly would) include raising taxes. Cancellation of student debt is also a concept which I don't think works at that extreme, but I do think that part of the effort to reducing the cost of public colleges should go towards helping people who have already graduated.

Basically the point is that the system is fucked and you don't need to have all the answers to raise that point.


When I was going to college we got a new president. She seen we were a highly renowned college and that our prices were much lower than other rival universities. So in order to compete she raised tuition prices each year so that we were competitive with the cost of our rival universities. Every semester the cost of going there increased by $1,000. Meanwhile she was spending millions on decorations and hundreds of thousands on fancy paper with gold bezels to mail to people for some ball. She was from a highly liberal college who taught her such nonsense -_-;;

So this is why college prices are rising... Dumb presidents trying to make their university cost more than any other university in order to stay competitive. Oh god now she is in charge of a government organization... Goodbye tax dollars T_T
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Meanwhile, the Iraq War has totally made back the trillions spent on it and resulted in no civilian casualties, no lasting injuries or illnesses on the part of coalition forces, has produced a stable, thriving, independent liberal democratic state founded on the principles of secular republicanism, and has not exacerbated problems in neighbouring countries in a foreseeable way at all. Money, time, manpower, and raw materials well-spent, that. Nowhere else it could've reasonably gone, no.
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Rujikin wrote:

When I was going to college we got a new president. She seen we were a highly renowned college and that our prices were much lower than other rival universities. So in order to compete she raised tuition prices each year so that we were competitive with the cost of our rival universities. Every semester the cost of going there increased by $1,000. Meanwhile she was spending millions on decorations and hundreds of thousands on fancy paper with gold bezels to mail to people for some ball. She was from a highly liberal college who taught her such nonsense -_-;;

So this is why college prices are rising... Dumb presidents trying to make their university cost more than any other university in order to stay competitive. Oh god now she is in charge of a government organization... Goodbye tax dollars T_T


Wait, wouldn't having lower tuition prices be more competitive? If your college had great courses and low tuition, wouldn't it prove the better option? Or did she think low tuition equals mediocre courses? How was she staying competitive? If the other colleges saw how well your college did, wouldn't it cause them to lower their costs because they wanted to compete with your college? I'm very lost. Also all that fancy stuff sounds like a waste of money. I would just want a education, not fancy stuff.
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Rujikin wrote:

When I was going to college we got a new president. She seen we were a highly renowned college and that our prices were much lower than other rival universities. So in order to compete she raised tuition prices each year so that we were competitive with the cost of our rival universities. Every semester the cost of going there increased by $1,000. Meanwhile she was spending millions on decorations and hundreds of thousands on fancy paper with gold bezels to mail to people for some ball. She was from a highly liberal college who taught her such nonsense -_-;;

So this is why college prices are rising... Dumb presidents trying to make their university cost more than any other university in order to stay competitive. Oh god now she is in charge of a government organization... Goodbye tax dollars T_T


Wait, wouldn't having lower tuition prices be more competitive? If your college had great courses and low tuition, wouldn't it prove the better option? Or did she think low tuition equals mediocre courses? How was she staying competitive? If the other colleges saw how well your college did, wouldn't it cause them to lower their costs because they wanted to compete with your college? I'm very lost. Also all that fancy stuff sounds like a waste of money. I would just want a education, not fancy stuff.


You are 100% correct. The laws of supply and demand along with common sense would say lowering costs or having lower costs is how you stay competitive. This bimbo thought that raising rates and buying a bunch of expensive sculptures is how you run a public university, oh and don't forget all the balls she hosted. I went there cause it gave me the most bang for my buck not because I wanted to stare at statues...

Universities have only been raising rates because they don't fear a decrease in students. Low cost colleges have thankfully been getting more popular and taking away some students but they need a serious competitor that forces them to lower their costs.
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Rujikin wrote:

When I was going to college we got a new president. She seen we were a highly renowned college and that our prices were much lower than other rival universities. So in order to compete she raised tuition prices each year so that we were competitive with the cost of our rival universities. Every semester the cost of going there increased by $1,000. Meanwhile she was spending millions on decorations and hundreds of thousands on fancy paper with gold bezels to mail to people for some ball. She was from a highly liberal college who taught her such nonsense -_-;;

So this is why college prices are rising... Dumb presidents trying to make their university cost more than any other university in order to stay competitive. Oh god now she is in charge of a government organization... Goodbye tax dollars T_T


Wait, wouldn't having lower tuition prices be more competitive? If your college had great courses and low tuition, wouldn't it prove the better option? Or did she think low tuition equals mediocre courses? How was she staying competitive? If the other colleges saw how well your college did, wouldn't it cause them to lower their costs because they wanted to compete with your college? I'm very lost. Also all that fancy stuff sounds like a waste of money. I would just want a education, not fancy stuff.
I think it's about colleges spending a lot of money on renovating their campuses and making it more appealing to the incoming student body.

Even now, brooklyn college is still going through renovations

I remember the students complained that so and so amount was used to redesign the entire swimming pool (we're not known for our swmming team btw). Hey, at least we have a nice swimming pool to look at?

Though I have no idea how liberalism has to do with competitive schools
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Part of the problem is that the US higher education system, especially liberal arts, has become a corrupt daycare center for 18-22 year olds.

Someone has pointed out the number of school administrators making ludicrous salaries has ballooned in recent years. Combined with constant renovations, bloated recreation budgets, and increasingly opulent dorms school have become money hungry. This is fed by the vastly increasing numbers of students going to college and in large part by the paradoxical amount of money governments already spend on schools through student grants and simultaneously decreasing the direct state assistance to schools due to this being squeezed out by entitlement and pension/state employee medical costs.

The large numbers of students means there will always be someone else who is willing to take your spot so if you complain about costs the institution doesn't care. Combine with the large amounts of state money going to help some people pay tuition and the ones that do not qualify for the aid get hosed by the tuition costs which are constant across the board. Furthermore, these students do not really attention to the employment prospectives for their chosen degrees (as many liberal arts degrees are not worth the paper they are printed on) nor do they pay attention to the student loan costs. Are they being overcharged for these loans? Yes. Were they told about this when they signed the papers? Yes. Did they sign them anyway? Yes.

The fix for this is surprisingly simple. First, have some oversight for state supported schools. This oversight will cap the number of administrators and other unnecessary spending, refocusing the school on being a school. This should also refocus these students on education as even magazines like TIME reports that college graduates lack the math, science, reasoning, communication, and work responsibility skills to get a job in the modern workforce.

Second, increase direct school assistance and decrease student grants. This prevents people who should not go to college, who would be better off in a trade school or community college from miring themselves in debt and clogging up the cost for the other students. Increasing direct assistance to schools will insure the schools still get the funding they need and will provide an incentive for them to keep costs down.

Third is to improve primary education. The public education system in the United States has been slipping for years. There has been some improvements like some students at my high school were able to take college courses in high school and upon graduation already had associates degrees. That is half of your college done. If more people can do this while still getting the 'free' public education that will dramatically reduce their future college expenses and get them into the workforce with degrees much sooner.

Fourth, the schools should be required to inform students once they declare a major what the realistic graduation, employment, and salary expectations for that degree would be. And if they are not so great the student should be encouraged to look to a different degree.
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