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BlueOni wrote:

Meanwhile, the Iraq War has totally made back the trillions spent on it and resulted in no civilian casualties, no lasting injuries or illnesses on the part of coalition forces, has produced a stable, thriving, independent liberal democratic state founded on the principles of secular republicanism, and has not exacerbated problems in neighbouring countries in a foreseeable way at all. Money, time, manpower, and raw materials well-spent, that. Nowhere els e it could've reasonably gone, no.


Sadly both of the political parties drink the Team America World Police foreign policy kool aid. (Bush Iraq, H.Clinton Libya, etc.) I'm sure the wise leaders of this country will find another war that has nothing to do with us to waste lives and resources on to help their military industrial complex lobbyists make a few extra bucks
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Part of the problem is that the US higher education system, especially liberal arts, has become a corrupt daycare center for 18-22 year olds.

Someone has pointed out the number of school administrators making ludicrous salaries has ballooned in recent years. Combined with constant renovations, bloated recreation budgets, and increasingly opulent dorms school have become money hungry. This is fed by the vastly increasing numbers of students going to college and in large part by the paradoxical amount of money governments already spend on schools through student grants and simultaneously decreasing the direct state assistance to schools due to this being squeezed out by entitlement and pension/state employee medical costs.

The large numbers of students means there will always be someone else who is willing to take your spot so if you complain about costs the institution doesn't care. Combine with the large amounts of state money going to help some people pay tuition and the ones that do not qualify for the aid get hosed by the tuition costs which are constant across the board. Furthermore, these students do not really attention to the employment prospectives for their chosen degrees (as many liberal arts degrees are not worth the paper they are printed on) nor do they pay attention to the student loan costs. Are they being overcharged for these loans? Yes. Were they told about this when they signed the papers? Yes. Did they sign them anyway? Yes.

The fix for this is surprisingly simple. First, have some oversight for state supported schools. This oversight will cap the number of administrators and other unnecessary spending, refocusing the school on being a school. This should also refocus these students on education as even magazines like TIME reports that college graduates lack the math, science, reasoning, communication, and work responsibility skills to get a job in the modern workforce.

Second, increase direct school assistance and decrease student grants. This prevents people who should not go to college, who would be better off in a trade school or community college from miring themselves in debt and clogging up the cost for the other students. Increasing direct assistance to schools will insure the schools still get the funding they need and will provide an incentive for them to keep costs down.

Third is to improve primary education. The public education system in the United States has been slipping for years. There has been some improvements like some students at my high school were able to take college courses in high school and upon graduation already had associates degrees. That is half of your college done. If more people can do this while still getting the 'free' public education that will dramatically reduce their future college expenses and get them into the workforce with degrees much sooner.

Fourth, the schools should be required to inform students once they declare a major what the realistic graduation, employment, and salary expectations for that degree would be. And if they are not so great the student should be encouraged to look to a different degree.


That fourth point could be implemented for practically nothing, surprised it hasn't been mandated yet.
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In a way, it's kind of surprising no one has suggested either making the colleges non-profit organizations or just having the corporate entities who will be the end users of these useless, poorly manufactured products collectively pay for the courses, making them 'free' for the products to take.
Posted 9/3/16
In the end of the day College is a business and its guaranteed to get you into a life debt very few students graduate while a massive amount dont even graduate they are forced to drop out because they cant afford it.
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