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it's always nice when there are uncensored shows on CR. I understand about the Japanese companies deals with AT-X, and have come to expect that we get what is broadcast over regular TV in Japan: A censored version.

However, all too often years will pass and that censored show on CR is still that censored show on CR.

Not so Funimation. Usually about the time that one of its shows is going to DVD/BluRay, where, of course, it is uncensored, members get access to an uncensored sub, and eventually, an uncensored dub.

For example both seasons of The Testament of Sister New Devil is still censored here on CR. Meanwhile over at Funi, the 3rd season of High School DxD which went on sale for DVD/Bluray this Tuesday, has been available as uncensored subtitled work for a few weeks.

Can we still expect Funi subs to eventually be available uncensored here on CR?
Will there be any progress on older subbed shows getting uncensored on CR?
What about CR shows that are going to go to DVD/Bluray sale?
Will CR follow the Funi model, uncensoring those shows for premium members (and/or the general public) when those shows hit the DVD/Bluray market?

I've seen this issue asked over several threads, but no real answer. Please reply, CR.
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The crickets chirp, otherwise silence.

But I hope you see the point: We could be looking at having anime on Funi that becomes uncensored dubbed on its site, while on CR there's the title, subbed, that never gets uncensored. If you want an equal partnership there needs to be an equal level of censorship.
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Posted 9/10/16

lawdog wrote:

The crickets chirp, otherwise silence.

But I hope you see the point: We could be looking at having anime on Funi that becomes uncensored dubbed on its site, while on CR there's the title, subbed, that never gets uncensored. If you want an equal partnership there needs to be an equal level of censorship.


Questions like these are best suited for the support forum. Very staff members check this group regularly. I'll be moving your thread there, so that you have a better chance of a response.
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We'll use whatever material is provided to us. We don't censor anything ourselves.
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shinryou wrote:

We'll use whatever material is provided to us. We don't censor anything ourselves.

I take that to mean there is no formal procedure in place for updating titles later (as happens on Funimation's site now), which would mean we'll probably be back to the bad old days (from a Funimation perspective) of anything that was a simulcast remaining the broadcast version for the subtitled format.

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So basically it's whatever funi provides first? Am I getting that right? So if later there is an uncensored version CR won't update since the version they got first was censored?
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I take that to mean there is no formal procedure in place for updating titles later (as happens on Funimation's site now), which would mean we'll probably be back to the bad old days (from a Funimation perspective) of anything that was a simulcast remaining the broadcast version for the subtitled format.



I don't know, and I will not speculate.
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shinryou wrote:

We'll use whatever material is provided to us. We don't censor anything ourselves.


I do understand this. I understand about contractual limitations, but surely you see where this is going:

Scenario 1

Funi gets a title that it simulcasts on its site, and it either comes at the same time to CR for the subbed version, or later. So we start out with Funi having a censored dub, CR having a censored dub.

Later as the title goes for sale, Funi continues its practice of updating the anime on its site. The dubbed version is now uncensored on Funi's site. Meanwhile, here at CR, the subbed version is...? if it remains censored then we've got discrimination against sub fans, and an inequality between the 2 sites.

Scenario 2

CR gets a title, with publication rights. It goes dubbed to Funi and subbed to CR with the initial, censored, broadcast run. But what happens next? Will CR be able to update its site with an uncensored version, just like Funi does? And what about Funi, which is handling the distribution end on the publication side> Do they put up an uncensored version like they always have? Again, there's the potential for inequality between the sites.

This is an important issue. The key for the success of the companies is delivering a fair market value product to the anime viewing public that offers a reason to support those sites instead of the plethora of non-legal sites.

Further, this is a contract between the parties which, presumably, both parties entered into striving for the benefit of each party, and for a certain level of equality between the parties (there are, of course, contracts which are highly advantageous to one party to the distinct disadvantage of the other party, but that isn't how the public face of this contract has been presented).
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Posted 9/13/16

shinryou wrote:


TheAncientOne wrote:

I take that to mean there is no formal procedure in place for updating titles later (as happens on Funimation's site now), which would mean we'll probably be back to the bad old days (from a Funimation perspective) of anything that was a simulcast remaining the broadcast version for the subtitled format.



I don't know, and I will not speculate.


Ah, but you should know, or management should, and therefore you should not have to speculate. If this wasn't addressed in the contract between the parties, you should have hired attorneys who are site members and anime fans.

And if this wasn't addressed, this should go back to negotiations at once. Heck, get a mediator involved pronto.
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lawdog wrote:

Ah, but you should know, or management should, and therefore you should not have to speculate. If this wasn't addressed in the contract between the parties, you should have hired attorneys who are site members and anime fans.

And if this wasn't addressed, this should go back to negotiations at once. Heck, get a mediator involved pronto.


It's outside of the scope of my job.
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shinryou wrote:


lawdog wrote:

Ah, but you should know, or management should, and therefore you should not have to speculate. If this wasn't addressed in the contract between the parties, you should have hired attorneys who are site members and anime fans.

And if this wasn't addressed, this should go back to negotiations at once. Heck, get a mediator involved pronto.


It's outside of the scope of my job.


I certainly understand that such an issue might go beyond your paygrade.

But someone's paygrade has to know this and it's an important issue, that if it was somehow overlooked/never discussed in negotiations...well, who should I send my resume to?
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I was just wondering about this myself, so I thought I would also voice my complaint about the censoring. I love Crunchy roll but the censoring does suck, so it would be nice if this was something Crunchy roll was at least looking to fix.
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lawdog wrote:

CR gets a title, with publication rights. It goes dubbed to Funi and subbed to CR with the initial, censored, broadcast run. But what happens next? Will CR be able to update its site with an uncensored version, just like Funi does? And what about Funi, which is handling the distribution end on the publication side> Do they put up an uncensored version like they always have? Again, there's the potential for inequality between the sites.

I can give you some insight how that has worked in the past, as CR did have home video rights to a few shows that were licensed to Discotek. One of those was Recently, My Sister is Unusual, which was quite the censor-fest from what I understand. As you'll notice, that series is still censored here on CR, despite Discotek having released it quite some time ago on DVD. (July of last year, per Amazon).

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lawdog wrote:

CR gets a title, with publication rights. It goes dubbed to Funi and subbed to CR with the initial, censored, broadcast run. But what happens next? Will CR be able to update its site with an uncensored version, just like Funi does? And what about Funi, which is handling the distribution end on the publication side> Do they put up an uncensored version like they always have? Again, there's the potential for inequality between the sites.

I can give you some insight how that has worked in the past, as CR did have home video rights to a few shows that were licensed to Discotek. One of those was Recently, My Sister is Unusual, which was quite the censor-fest from what I understand. As you'll notice, that series is still censored here on CR, despite Discotek having released it quite some time ago on DVD. (July of last year, per Amazon).



That's what I'm afraid of. The difference, of course, is the possibility of a partnership where the same anime is on both sites and on one is censored and the other uncensored. As sucky as it would be, there's no change of status if CR owned titles distributed by Funi for DVD/BR sales remain censored on both sites. The worst of all worlds would have Funi changing its policy to uncensor titles once they go to DVD/BR.

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