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Last time I looked, democrats ran the slave states back then, the same states that harbored the KKK. Have the liberals altered all the history books already?
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Zzz at least she has the decency to apologize.

Orange Hitler never would.



He wouldn't. Did she apologize? I actually didn't hear that one....

If she wants to win and she seems to be still holding onto the lead in a lot of states, she needs to seriously do something to overcome her shit image to stay winning because Trump is gaining on her fast and in some polls, actually is ahead of her.

Insulting a demographic of Americans isn't the way to do so, apology or not. People ain't gonna give no fucks.
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Xxanthar and VZ68, please read this whole article. It isn't too long.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/11/what-social-science-tells-us-about-racism-in-the-republican-party/


I'm not just spouting some stuff that I came up with when I was bored or something. I'm telling you guys facts that are well known to many people.



Here is an excerpt from the article, about research and studies on the matter:



An expanding body of research by psychologists, economists and political scientists suggests that voters' racial biases help the GOP win elections, and critics say the party is capitalizing on that fact. Though researchers haven't settled how successful dog-whistle politics are at tapping into those prejudices, some believe that race will become more, not less important in the party's future campaigns.




Here is an excerpt from a political psychologist:



"There's a good deal of evidence that white resentment of minorities is linked to support for Republican candidates, their policies and conservative ideology in America," said Robb Willer, a political psychologist at Stanford University.
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Last time I looked, democrats ran the slave states back then, the same states that harbored the KKK. Have the liberals altered all the history books already?




Xxanthar, please read that artilce I just linked. It goes into that a bit. Basically, the democratic party and republican party "switched places" starting in the 1960s.
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I'm not saying she was wrong, but it's never a good idea to insult voters. And it's never a good idea to call people dumb, especially if they are actually dumb.
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Dumb comments by Clinton. She should know better. Doesn't really change anything though.
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Dark_Alma wrote:

Zzz at least she has the decency to apologize.

Orange Hitler never would.



He wouldn't. Did she apologize? I actually didn't hear that one....

If she wants to win and she seems to be still holding onto the lead in a lot of states, she needs to seriously do something to overcome her shit image to stay winning because Trump is gaining on her fast and in some polls, actually is ahead of her.

Insulting a demographic of Americans isn't the way to do so, apology or not. People ain't gonna give no fucks.


Not to be an ass, but the title of the thread is "Hillary apologizes..."

Also, I don't think Hillary will loose. If she does, I will just my Dual Citizenship to move to Germany. I just feel bad for those who are stuck here. I hear the Canadians made a dating site for this situation. If Trump gets elected, they will help you find a spouse in Canada to marry. Once you married you can legally move to Canada. Not a bad deal!

While she insulted a demographic... A lot of this tends to be true to a degree. A lot of hate/dislike towards Mexicans (illegal or not) and Muslims (legal). I actually saw someone verbally berating a woman in a Burka at my University. I had to step in as it made me sick to see people doing that. I recall hearing...

"Trump will make sure terrorists like you wont make it into America!"

I took exception to that. Sound a lot like Hitlers speeches against the Jews/LGBT crowd. Hate tactics will never end in anything good.

Needless to say, I am voting. My main concern is that many of the Democrats wont vote. The current generation is pretty bad about that.

Oh well, I have an escape plan so I am not worried!
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I'm not saying she was wrong, but it's never a good idea to insult voters. And it's never a good idea to call people dumb, especially if they are actually dumb.


I dunno. Maybe she just finally got tired of being politically correct? I mean political incorrectness is supposed to be the in thing now right? Maybe it was about time she got on the bandwagon?

To be fair, at least Clinton knows how to apologize. I do not think I can recall the last time Trump apologized for anything. He makes excuses and claims he was misunderstood or just flat out doubles down on his insults. But apologizes? Nope, not ever.

Apologizing is one of the harder things to do in life. Which is why Trump does not do it. How many times has your boss ever said or done something that he or she should not have, and never apologized for it because he or she thought it would make them look even worse? Even when apologizing would have made the situation better and probably increased their respect? Knowing when you made a mistake, and apologizing for it when it happens, is a sign of a leader. Simply ignoring it and trying to pretend you were right is a sign of both a poor leader and a bully.

I agree that she should not have said it. But at the same time it also demonstrates a key difference between her and Trump. She apologizes for her mistakes. Trump either would have claimed he was misunderstood or else doubled down and said all of her supporters were like that. He certainly would not have apologized.

People talk about trust. Personally I can trust someone who understands when they made a mistake and tries to fix it over someone who just tries to pretend they never make errors.
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So basically the article is based on a couple obscure polls More republicans want to secure the borders and follow the laws of the land so that makes them racists? My grandparents were immigrants, why the hell would I be against immigrants? What I am against is millions of unknown people flooding across our border illegally. You think it's fine for anyone to come and go as they please. How can you not understand that this is bad? Borders exist for a reason if you don't respect a nation's laws and it's right to insure the safety of it's citizens, you don't belong in that country.

We owe $20 trillion dollars. How do we pay to feed and house and care for so many people that have zero job skills? The government already takes almost half of my paycheck. should I give them 75%? We need to get our own shit together before we let all these people in. I don't give a shit what race they are.
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People talk about trust. Personally I can trust someone who understands when they made a mistake and tries to fix it over someone who just tries to pretend they never make errors.


I trust Hillary to sell us all to the highest bidder. (probably google)
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But does she mean it?
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You can't just go slinging mud at the Trump base that broadly. A lot of (probably most of) Trump's support comes from people who either just don't want Hillary Clinton to assume office, people who have an economic stake in a Trump administration (like coal miners), or people who are simply tired of establishment figures and want a political outsider. The "alt-right" (that is, the fancy rebranding of the far right) is a component of Trump's support base, and its most popular media outlets have hopped on board with Trump (particularly Breitbart). But half the Trump base? That's just too much of an oversimplification and far too broad a general statement. An apology was warranted, but it would've been even better if Clinton's analysis had been nuanced from the beginning.

With that said, Trump has inspired white supremacists and reactionaries, and the GOP does have a history of using racial politics to its own advantage. Consider, for example, Rick Tyler's congressional bid:



His explanation for that sign and slogan essentially boils down to an assertion that racially homogeneous societies are more stable than multiracial ones, and he claims that the US is in steady decline because its racial demographics are shifting away from a white majority. He belittles any critics of his ideas as "Pavlovian dogs" and, like any good reactionary, makes appeals to a Leave It to Beaver era that never actually bloody existed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-d0yWVulm4

These robocalls from David Duke and Jared Taylor indicate quite plainly that Trump's rhetoric has inspired white supremacists to support him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUQKZEFmaOI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnIm2W-O0ro

Finally, Ken Melhman and Michael Steele (both former RNC chairmen) and Lee Atawater (a Republican strategist) admit the Southern Strategy exists.


By the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out...Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong.

-Ken Melhman



For the last 40-plus years we [the GOP] had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South.

-Michael Steele


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT2fsv7xt4E
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Last time I looked, democrats ran the slave states back then, the same states that harbored the KKK. Have the liberals altered all the history books already?
psh obama was part of the kkk
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So basically the article is based on a couple obscure polls More republicans want to secure the borders and follow the laws of the land so that makes them racists? My grandparents were immigrants, why the hell would I be against immigrants? What I am against is millions of unknown people flooding across our border illegally. You think it's fine for anyone to come and go as they please. How can you not understand that this is bad? Borders exist for a reason if you don't respect a nation's laws and it's right to insure the safety of it's citizens, you don't belong in that country.

We owe $20 trillion dollars. How do we pay to feed and house and care for so many people that have zero job skills? The government already takes almost half of my paycheck. should I give them 75%? We need to get our own shit together before we let all these people in. I don't give a shit what race they are.



I don't want illegal immigrants. That isn't the point. Trump says a lot of strong racist rhetoric and, unsurprisingly, white racists in America love him for it. I don't think Trump would be able to build that wall. And his ban on Muslims has changed to banning people from certain areas. But he originally said "ban all Muslims". Why did he say "I'll build that wall" and "ban all Muslims"? Because he knew it'd get him supporters. You see, Trump is an idiot, and he is running for president, and he is saying whatever it takes to secure support. I mean, whatever it takes. Our government officials will probably block him from building the wall, and he probably knows this. Again, the thing on "ban all Muslims" has been changed a few times. Trump is just catering to bigots and racists, which the GOP has done for decades, and it is working really well for him. I should add, the difference between other GOP candidates and Trump is that Trump is in no way subtle about these things.


And also, read BlueOni's post up above. The article I gave wasn't just about some polls, it was discussing how racism is a significant force in the republican party, and BlueOni's post talks some more about some of the things in the article I posted. Their post even has some text where republican officials not only don't deny catering to racists, but confirm it. These things are factual.


Edit: Here, I'll post the text they posted, just because it is so important you read it so that you understand I'm talking facts.

Again, these are former chairman of the RNC.



By the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out...Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong.

-Ken Melhman




For the last 40-plus years we [the GOP] had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South.

-Michael Steele
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