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What exactly is this question implying? That anime doesn't get distributed to other non-western countries?

What? I'm confused.
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TRKitsune wrote:

What exactly is this question implying? That anime doesn't get distributed to other non-western countries?

What? I'm confused.


It's a stupid topic like the majority of topics on here.
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Nah, we're too busy getting ourselves knee deep in violence to care about anything else and being the prudes that we are, it would be a waste of effort for Japanese anime studios to cater to us.
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Absolutely not. Don't forget that anime is made for Japanese audiences first and foremost, so there's no way it's going away. Not as long as the folks over there like it. As much as I would love for it to go away, or at least the mindless version (as opposed to the meaningful version like in Kill la Kill), I do realize that it's not happening. While there are shows made for western society like Space Dandy and One Punch Man, those are more of the exception than the rule. It's quite a shame that it's dragging down the experience, but nevertheless it is what Japan wants, and it will be what they get.
Posted 9/15/16

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Why does anime need to be honourable? It's not like it's being presented to the Queen or anything. It's just entertainment. Who cares?


Because why would you as a viewer want shoveled rehashed low quality trash? Why would you want a show that used sex appeal as a crutch? Why would you not want something finely crafted, well thought out, that holds itself with dignity and treats you with respect by offering you the best that it can?

The choice of the word honourable in particular was a joke.
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Ocale wrote:


Frenzify wrote:

Why does anime need to be honourable? It's not like it's being presented to the Queen or anything. It's just entertainment. Who cares?


Because why would you as a viewer want shoveled rehashed low quality trash? Why would you want a show that used sex appeal as a crutch? Why would you not want something finely crafted, well thought out, that holds itself with dignity and treats you with respect by offering you the best that it can?

The choice of the word honourable in particular was a joke.


Why do people eat junk food that's bad for them? Because it tastes good. Similarly, anime that are essentially fanservice are junk, but entertaining. And like junk food, it's not the only genre/type of anime out there. These fanservice arguments that always come up are always so stupid, because they operate under the assumption that fanservice has absolutely engulfed the entirety of the industry. Even this season you'll find a great number of anime with little to no fanservice. Why not just watch them instead complaining about the ones with fanservice?

So, the argument is basically that because a certain group of people don't like it, it should be removed for everyone, even those that have no problem, or enjoy it.

Not everything needs to be the Citizen Kane of anime. Some things can just be entertaining and fun, even if there's not much substance. In which case, unless you're an elitist, you shouldn't care if people enjoy that kind of thing. It's not ruining the industry, and the idea that it is is laughable.
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Uh...have you seen western comics and the fanservice shots they have? Go look up Emma Frost or Starfire (not the Teen Titans cartoon version).

The only difference I see is that you can get loli fanservice in anime while western comic fanservice is almost always full grown, voluptuous women.

Then you have live action stuff like Game of Thrones with fanservice

No, seriously, since when did the US not like fanservice?
The problem is that people see animation and assume it's for kids. And THAT is where Americans have problems with fanservice.
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Nah, they should get rid of it for better reasons!
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Frenzify wrote:

Why do people eat junk food that's bad for them? Because it tastes good. Similarly, anime that are essentially fanservice are junk, but entertaining. And like junk food, it's not the only genre/type of anime out there. These fanservice arguments that always come up are always so stupid, because they operate under the assumption that fanservice has absolutely engulfed the entirety of the industry. Even this season you'll find a great number of anime with little to no fanservice. Why not just watch them instead complaining about the ones with fanservice?

So, the argument is basically that because a certain group of people don't like it, it should be removed for everyone, even those that have no problem, or enjoy it.

Not everything needs to be the Citizen Kane of anime. Some things can just be entertaining and fun, even if there's not much substance. In which case, unless you're an elitist, you shouldn't care if people enjoy that kind of thing. It's not ruining the industry, and the idea that it is is laughable.


If we're going to go with the junk food analogy (which I like), doesn't it kind of make sense to nag others to stop eating junk food, because it's low quality and not very good for them? It's for their own good. I think people would be happier watching a more touching story than something empty.

I didn't claim that anything has engulfed or ruined the industry. The reason people complain about it so often is probably because they're the only anime that people ever feel like talking about. They're what's popular online and the first thing you see when you look at an anime forum, usually. It's incredibly frustrating, and it means if I want to talk about anime, I either have to just shill for the ones I like, bitch and moan about the ones I hate, or just not talk very much/at all about it, and for a person like me with not that many things to talk about with people, it means a large portion of time is spent downtalking things I dislike. That's what goes through the mind of someone like me, what do you think about it?
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Easy answer. Everything is better with nudity and violence. Thats what the romans loved, thats what everybody loves.

Of course you could take out all nudity and violence out of anime but it would just make it less good.
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Because why would you as a viewer want shoveled rehashed low quality trash?


Fanservice does not automatically turn everything where it appears into trash.

It can, however, turn trash into something people will still buy.

So yeah, trash has a lot of fanservice. But it's happening in the other direction. People don't go "add some fanservice," and then say "oh no it's trash." They go "oh no it's trash," and then say "add some fanservice."

Hey presto, you just sold several thousand copies to the pervert demographic even though nobody in their right mind thinks your characters and story are any good.

Meanwhile, take the best scene you ever saw in any anime ever, and add some gratuitous fanservice without changing a single line. It's barely affected at all.

Now, not all fanservice works, but if (for example) you take some dramatic confrontation between two high school girls and drop the camera angle enough to see up their skirts... the confrontation is no less dramatic. The dialogue is no less well-written. The characters are no less complex.

If you personally can't get past the part where WE CAN SEE THEIR PANTSU, that is a problem for you personally and does not actually make the scene trash. You're just weird and have hangups.

But if that scene was complete garbage with bad voice acting and shitty writing, making it an upskirt shot might very well get a large part of the audience not to care how awful it is.

Granted, that part of the AUDIENCE is probably low-quality trash, but that's not the studio's fault.
Posted 9/15/16

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Meanwhile, take the best scene you ever saw in any anime ever, and add some gratuitous fanservice without changing a single line. It's barely affected at all.

Now, not all fanservice works, but if (for example) you take some dramatic confrontation between two high school girls and drop the camera angle enough to see up their skirts... the confrontation is no less dramatic. The dialogue is no less well-written. The characters are no less complex.
If you personally can't get past the part where WE CAN SEE THEIR PANTSU, that is a problem for you personally and does not actually make the scene trash. You're just weird and have hangups.


But see, in your scenario, while the characters and dialogue might be fine, the tone will usually feel messed up for me, and I can't take the scene as seriously if there's a panty shot for absolutely no reason. It sticks out like a sore thumb, and it feels as if the anime takes me for one of those people who is so easily amused. It's not a good feeling, and it's distracting. My immediate response is "why is this here?" instead of focusing on the actual ongoings of the scene itself, usually. The delivery/portrayal is changed, and it definitely changed my viewing experience. Though I guess that does just makes me weird, in which case, I am no less annoyed with the way things are, really, and I still feel like whining to vent my frustrations.

And honestly if you took that one scene from Clannad After Story and added fan service, I'm pretty sure it would mess it up. Not that I think that scene is any good or anything, it's just a random overly dramatic scene that people like that I thought of first.
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I don't really support censorship as a whole. People are capable of choosing what they watch and if something does not suit them, then don't watch it. I am tired of being told that something is not "good for me". I don't appreciate or enjoy the constant female violence against men used as humor (such as Sakura punching Naruto) but does not mean I think what I want should dictate what they show. People who don't like fan service do not have to watch it but they don't get to tell others what they can make and watch. Just leave people free to make anime however they wish and people to watch what they want otherwise we may go down a slipper slope and everything will be censored including what you may enjoy.
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...unless you're into slippers.
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Ocale wrote:

But see, in your scenario, while the characters and dialogue might be fine, the tone will usually feel messed up for me


Why? The characters are wearing and doing and saying the exact same thing no matter where the camera is.

I mean, it doesn't matter to whether we get upskirt shots in anime, either. You could leave it all out and I wouldn't care. But, you know, I don't CARE. Put it in, I still don't give a shit.

I mean, sure, it annoys me when I'm watching a tense preparation for a dramatic battle... and it's interrupted by three girls bathing together so one of them can lecherously fondle another while the third laments her own lack of substantial tittery. But I roll my eyes and ignore it, the same way I do when I'm watching network television and a beer commercial comes on. "Hot women care what beer you drink!" Yeah, yeah, whatever. But why let that ruin the rest of the show?


Though I guess that does just makes me weird, in which case, I am no less annoyed with the way things are, really, and I still feel like whining to vent my frustrations.


See, you understand. And it's okay to be annoyed, and to vent your frustrations, even if it annoys and frustrates others. You're thinking, and this is a good thing which ought to be encouraged. Not enough people are doing it, and not enough of the people doing it are talking about it.
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