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SHHH people aren't that smart they just think MAH JERBS

Although renewable energy sources are now able to produce electricity in great amounts existing grid systems aren't necessarily able to withstand the sort of production they're capable of, and we lack a sufficient means for storing the excess until it's needed. It would be an essential part of maintaining long-term environmental sustainability and energy provision in a society where labour and survival were divorced to overcome this problem, and people recognise that.


Uh, Hello? Nuclear power! We have enough former nuclear bomb material to power the nation for centuries. The newer plants are incapable of melting down because they use 5% enriched uranium instead of the 70% the older plants use. You can reprocess 90% of the nuclear waste and add a little fresh material then put it right back in the reactor. The remaining is not very radioactive as the radioactive parts get reprocessed.


But nuclear power is "Scary" and is quite possibly the lovechild of a wizard and "THE DEVIL INCARNATE". People don't know how it works, and you can't explain that. It's magic. Obviously, magic is evil. It's going to pollute the environment and maybe turn whales into juvenile delinquents when it inevitably explodes like Three Chernobyl Island.

All that caterwauling aside, we do need much better batteries and transmission lines. Nuclear power will keep the lights on, and will power our space endeavors, but capacitors keep it even. In Alaska, maybe a decade ago now, they build a giant battery backup for the power grid in Fairbanks. Thousands of, basically, large diesel batteries. It was only designed to last for a couple minutes, not even an hour, and cost a few million dollars I think.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/3312118/Worlds-biggest-battery-switched-on-in-Alaska.html
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But nuclear power is "Scary" and is quite possibly the lovechild of a wizard and "THE DEVIL INCARNATE". People don't know how it works, and you can't explain that. It's magic. Obviously, magic is evil. It's going to pollute the environment and maybe turn whales into juvenile delinquents when it inevitably explodes like Three Chernobyl Island.


That's right! And everyone will have three heads! Yes, three. Always.

I'm not opposed to nuclear power. I just neglected to mention it.


All that caterwauling aside, we do need much better batteries and transmission lines. Nuclear power will keep the lights on, and will power our space endeavors, but capacitors keep it even. In Alaska, maybe a decade ago now, they build a giant battery backup for the power grid in Fairbanks. Thousands of, basically, large diesel batteries. It was only designed to last for a couple minutes, not even an hour, and cost a few million dollars I think.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/3312118/Worlds-biggest-battery-switched-on-in-Alaska.html


And thank you for the link!
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People talk about.... wait three cherynoble island...


I ze wat u did ther

The plus side about nuclear power, especially the newer types, is that it is very easily controlled and production can be increased or decreased on demand. The newer stuff REQUIRES water so removing the water stops the reaction.

That's pretty neat
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Hackers will rule the world once everything is computerize!


Hackers? Hell, take a look at the tech news regarding security issues in Internet of Things products. An Amazon account and a Github account and you're good to go - Baby monitors, webcams, door locks, house heating, take your pick.

If you're in the market for an appliance of any sort, make sure it's not "Connected"


Eh that's really up to choice it's unlikely a hacker is going to use my house heating and if they did that's why a manual over-ride is important.

Shying away from connected technology cause some hackers can abuse it is stupid imo.


I'm going to have to disagree with you. Hackers (blanket term for anyone with the knowledge and software for the purposes of this comment) won't use your house heating because it's YOU or YOUR house.

A hacker in Malaysia (or anywhere else) will do a port scan to see what un or weakly secured internet facing kit they can find. They they'll get control of if through the pathetic or non existent security (because security costs money) and they'll do whatever they want with it. The hackers don't know any of the people they're affecting, they don't know what effects their actions will have in the real world and they probably don't care. It's a bit of fun in the evening.

It just happens that your house heating (or garage door opener, or house lights, or smart TV or any other IoT product you bought and installed in good faith) is in one of the 50,000 hits they got today because the manufacturer of your phone accessible home heating controller etc. didn't code it securely. They coded it quickly and cheaply because there are no penalties for doing that. If your heating cranks up to max and won't go down until you turn the heating off completely the manufacturer won't have any penalties. You 'might' get a new unit for free, or a refund, but you'll likely get blamed for not setting a password. Oh, and you'll have to pay the electricity bill as well.

"The Connected Home" or "Smart Home", as the PR and Marketing announcements from these companies put it isn't common enough for these hacks to have a visible effect to the general public and they're too expensive for the common citizen to bother with so take-up isn't going to be that fast.

The chief hope is the awful state of computer control in cars and the upcoming push for self-driving. Those things can kill people and it'll take deaths to get governments to look past the lobbyists and donations (and I'm looking at all governments here so don't think I'm picking specifically on yours, I have great contempt for my own as well) and create useful, consumer protecting legislation.

Again - My personal advice, just a randomer on a forum who reads some tech news sites, not a tech professional myself, not a computer professional. Stay away from Smart and Connected items for as long as you can. Hopefully it'll never come to the point when you can only buy an internet connected kettle, or toaster, or light bulb. Hopefully.
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CasualObserver wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


CasualObserver wrote:


JanusCascade wrote:

Hackers will rule the world once everything is computerize!


Hackers? Hell, take a look at the tech news regarding security issues in Internet of Things products. An Amazon account and a Github account and you're good to go - Baby monitors, webcams, door locks, house heating, take your pick.

If you're in the market for an appliance of any sort, make sure it's not "Connected"


Eh that's really up to choice it's unlikely a hacker is going to use my house heating and if they did that's why a manual over-ride is important.

Shying away from connected technology cause some hackers can abuse it is stupid imo.


I'm going to have to disagree with you. Hackers (blanket term for anyone with the knowledge and software for the purposes of this comment) won't use your house heating because it's YOU or YOUR house.

A hacker in Malaysia (or anywhere else) will do a port scan to see what un or weakly secured internet facing kit they can find. They they'll get control of if through the pathetic or non existent security (because security costs money) and they'll do whatever they want with it. The hackers don't know any of the people they're affecting, they don't know what effects their actions will have in the real world and they probably don't care. It's a bit of fun in the evening.

It just happens that your house heating (or garage door opener, or house lights, or smart TV or any other IoT product you bought and installed in good faith) is in one of the 50,000 hits they got today because the manufacturer of your phone accessible home heating controller etc. didn't code it securely. They coded it quickly and cheaply because there are no penalties for doing that. If your heating cranks up to max and won't go down until you turn the heating off completely the manufacturer won't have any penalties. You 'might' get a new unit for free, or a refund, but you'll likely get blamed for not setting a password. Oh, and you'll have to pay the electricity bill as well.

"The Connected Home" or "Smart Home", as the PR and Marketing announcements from these companies put it isn't common enough for these hacks to have a visible effect to the general public and they're too expensive for the common citizen to bother with so take-up isn't going to be that fast.

The chief hope is the awful state of computer control in cars and the upcoming push for self-driving. Those things can kill people and it'll take deaths to get governments to look past the lobbyists and donations (and I'm looking at all governments here so don't think I'm picking specifically on yours, I have great contempt for my own as well) and create useful, consumer protecting legislation.

Again - My personal advice, just a randomer on a forum who reads some tech news sites, not a tech professional myself, not a computer professional. Stay away from Smart and Connected items for as long as you can. Hopefully it'll never come to the point when you can only buy an internet connected kettle, or toaster, or light bulb. Hopefully.



Bit to paranoid for my liking.

Hacking will always be an issue it won't stop me from having a self driving car of other connected electronics
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CasualObserver "The Connected Home" or "Smart Home"


Snip for the wall of text...

The connect home is just stupid and I agree with your assessment. I watch these commercials for refrigerator units that have 6 cameras inside to see what you are missing while you are physically at the grocery store, a smart panel that displays family pictures randomly, and connects to the home WiFi network...and you can connect it to your phone while at that grocery store to get what you missed. Who cares for such stupid features. Make a list, otherwise it is a stupid overly priced luxury for lazy people that can break easy, expensive to maintain, and god forbid your router/WiFi doesn't go down cause we all know how reliable that is when you really want it.

Even some apps are making people lazy, I just want my phone to have the beer coaster app, the level table/chair app, and the door stopper app. When I like talking to people, wedge that over priced piece of tech under something and I would be to bothered to remove it since it is doing something else important...like keeping the beer from sliding, the table level, or the door from slaming shut whhen it is hot
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Just what we need. One more excuse to never get off our butts and actually walk or get any exercise. Electronic buggies are not enough and we shouldn't have to leave the front bench ever. More time to eat twinkies and ho ho's. Yay!

I imagine the first time robo cart runs over a little kid and doesn't stop it will be the last. Then again now that I think about it, it will probably be more like the airline industry where there's an acceptable amount of risk versus the bottom line. There's a threshold where they deem the amount of deaths are okay but once it crosses that threshold and starts to effect their bottom line THEN they finally make changes. Know how many recommendations from the NTSB are ignored? It will probably work the same way here with some special interest group like the FAA who could care less about safety are in charge.
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Robots could prove an answer to Walmart’s labor headaches.


Walmart was never a good employer to begin with. They were never a good corporate citizen. They were never a good community partner. That Walmart considers their workers pushing back at Walmart's crappy labor policies, as headaches, is just an indication of what a crappy business it is.

It is why I don't shop at Walmart.

First they move into a community, drive all of the mom and pop shops out of business. Force the same mom and pop shop workers to work much, MUCH harder, for the same or less money, and under terrible conditions. Then systematically lay them off, to cut costs. Shut down entire stores to break unions, and now this.... Replace workers with robots....

Walmart really is an evil business, run by evil people, who do evil on every level.

I won't shop at Walmart.
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They're going to need to invest a fuck ton of money into those fat people scooters seeing as how pushing a cart of trans fats is the only exercise some of those walmart shoppers get.


No doubt.
I can foresee in the future that people will be mandated to have treadmills out in their front lawns, and like radio calisthenics, everyone would have to get out of their house and walk or jog on the treadmills for 30 mins before starting their day.
Parking enforcement will drive around to make sure people have not "Parked" on their couches.
All treadmills will be tied into the grid to generate electricity to power our ovens and playstations and charge our electric self driving cars that are ready to take us to our jobs monitoring the robots in Walmart, and replacing those pesky wobbling wheels that only touch the ground half the time on the shopping carts.
Oh, and replacing those marked down price tags too, unless they go digital on those as well...
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Robotic or not, the wheels will still sound like dying animals.
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Ryulightorb wrote:


CasualObserver wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


CasualObserver wrote:


JanusCascade wrote:

Hackers will rule the world once everything is computerize!


Hackers? Hell, take a look at the tech news regarding security issues in Internet of Things products. An Amazon account and a Github account and you're good to go - Baby monitors, webcams, door locks, house heating, take your pick.

If you're in the market for an appliance of any sort, make sure it's not "Connected"


Eh that's really up to choice it's unlikely a hacker is going to use my house heating and if they did that's why a manual over-ride is important.

Shying away from connected technology cause some hackers can abuse it is stupid imo.


I'm going to have to disagree with you. Hackers (blanket term for anyone with the knowledge and software for the purposes of this comment) won't use your house heating because it's YOU or YOUR house.

A hacker in Malaysia (or anywhere else) will do a port scan to see what un or weakly secured internet facing kit they can find. They they'll get control of if through the pathetic or non existent security (because security costs money) and they'll do whatever they want with it. The hackers don't know any of the people they're affecting, they don't know what effects their actions will have in the real world and they probably don't care. It's a bit of fun in the evening.

It just happens that your house heating (or garage door opener, or house lights, or smart TV or any other IoT product you bought and installed in good faith) is in one of the 50,000 hits they got today because the manufacturer of your phone accessible home heating controller etc. didn't code it securely. They coded it quickly and cheaply because there are no penalties for doing that. If your heating cranks up to max and won't go down until you turn the heating off completely the manufacturer won't have any penalties. You 'might' get a new unit for free, or a refund, but you'll likely get blamed for not setting a password. Oh, and you'll have to pay the electricity bill as well.

"The Connected Home" or "Smart Home", as the PR and Marketing announcements from these companies put it isn't common enough for these hacks to have a visible effect to the general public and they're too expensive for the common citizen to bother with so take-up isn't going to be that fast.

The chief hope is the awful state of computer control in cars and the upcoming push for self-driving. Those things can kill people and it'll take deaths to get governments to look past the lobbyists and donations (and I'm looking at all governments here so don't think I'm picking specifically on yours, I have great contempt for my own as well) and create useful, consumer protecting legislation.

Again - My personal advice, just a randomer on a forum who reads some tech news sites, not a tech professional myself, not a computer professional. Stay away from Smart and Connected items for as long as you can. Hopefully it'll never come to the point when you can only buy an internet connected kettle, or toaster, or light bulb. Hopefully.



Bit to paranoid for my liking.

Hacking will always be an issue it won't stop me from having a self driving car of other connected electronics


No, it won't stop you until your IoT car crashes and kills you. It won't stop you until you find that your IoT controlled security camera system and garage door, or door locks made it super easy for a burglar to verify you were not at home, and then let him enter to burglarize your house. You'll come home and find all of your IoT stuffs has been took from you....

No, I'm sure none of that will stop you, until....

How would you like to have an IoT pacemaker?

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/02/could-wireless-pacemaker-let-hackers-take-control-your-heart
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/technologyinvesting/coming-to-a-walmart-near-you-robo-shopping-carts/ar-BBwbmoC?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=UE07DHP


they cant even have carts have functioning wheels lol


kinda cool if 5.1 million jobs weren't going to be taken away


The WalMart near me would wind up getting all of those carts stolen. Or most of them wouldn't work lol.
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DeadlyOats wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


CasualObserver wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


CasualObserver wrote:


JanusCascade wrote:

Hackers will rule the world once everything is computerize!


Hackers? Hell, take a look at the tech news regarding security issues in Internet of Things products. An Amazon account and a Github account and you're good to go - Baby monitors, webcams, door locks, house heating, take your pick.

If you're in the market for an appliance of any sort, make sure it's not "Connected"


Eh that's really up to choice it's unlikely a hacker is going to use my house heating and if they did that's why a manual over-ride is important.

Shying away from connected technology cause some hackers can abuse it is stupid imo.


I'm going to have to disagree with you. Hackers (blanket term for anyone with the knowledge and software for the purposes of this comment) won't use your house heating because it's YOU or YOUR house.

A hacker in Malaysia (or anywhere else) will do a port scan to see what un or weakly secured internet facing kit they can find. They they'll get control of if through the pathetic or non existent security (because security costs money) and they'll do whatever they want with it. The hackers don't know any of the people they're affecting, they don't know what effects their actions will have in the real world and they probably don't care. It's a bit of fun in the evening.

It just happens that your house heating (or garage door opener, or house lights, or smart TV or any other IoT product you bought and installed in good faith) is in one of the 50,000 hits they got today because the manufacturer of your phone accessible home heating controller etc. didn't code it securely. They coded it quickly and cheaply because there are no penalties for doing that. If your heating cranks up to max and won't go down until you turn the heating off completely the manufacturer won't have any penalties. You 'might' get a new unit for free, or a refund, but you'll likely get blamed for not setting a password. Oh, and you'll have to pay the electricity bill as well.

"The Connected Home" or "Smart Home", as the PR and Marketing announcements from these companies put it isn't common enough for these hacks to have a visible effect to the general public and they're too expensive for the common citizen to bother with so take-up isn't going to be that fast.

The chief hope is the awful state of computer control in cars and the upcoming push for self-driving. Those things can kill people and it'll take deaths to get governments to look past the lobbyists and donations (and I'm looking at all governments here so don't think I'm picking specifically on yours, I have great contempt for my own as well) and create useful, consumer protecting legislation.

Again - My personal advice, just a randomer on a forum who reads some tech news sites, not a tech professional myself, not a computer professional. Stay away from Smart and Connected items for as long as you can. Hopefully it'll never come to the point when you can only buy an internet connected kettle, or toaster, or light bulb. Hopefully.



Bit to paranoid for my liking.

Hacking will always be an issue it won't stop me from having a self driving car of other connected electronics


No, it won't stop you until your IoT car crashes and kills you. It won't stop you until you find that your IoT controlled security camera system and garage door, or door locks made it super easy for a burglar to verify you were not at home, and then let him enter to burglarize your house. You'll come home and find all of your IoT stuffs has been took from you....

No, I'm sure none of that will stop you, until....

How would you like to have an IoT pacemaker?

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/02/could-wireless-pacemaker-let-hackers-take-control-your-heart




Ill take the risk seeing as i cant drive a normal car.

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These robotic carts can't come fast enough. Was shopping, and had another customer have to ask me where to find the item she was looking for, as the employees told her an incredibly vague area, but couldn't be bothered to actually go help her get it, especially as it was an uncommon item carried in small amounts occupying only a part of a shelf with no indicators it was there at all.
Posted 9/22/16

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Hackers will rule the world once everything is computerize!


lol

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