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Religion needs to stay out of any politics whatsoever. Whatever deity you chose to worship(or don't) is private business. That's the problem with this country....






It's not a private matter though...
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Bigotry is its own license. You don't need religion to act bigoted, you have that right to be an ass. However, when this concerns protecting religious freedom, I tend to go on a case by case basis.

I honestly think clerks should do their job though, but I might change opinion on that.
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Nogara-san wrote:

Religion needs to stay out of any politics whatsoever. Whatever deity you chose to worship(or don't) is private business. That's the problem with this country....






It's not a private matter though...


It is when you have politicians telling women what to do with their own bodies, like prolife laws, for example.

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Bigotry is its own license. You don't need religion to act bigoted, you have that right to be an ass. However, when this concerns protecting religious freedom, I tend to go on a case by case basis.

I honestly think clerks should do their job though, but I might change opinion on that.


You work in the public sector...you need to deal with all aspects of people, whether they believe the same as you or not.
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Posted 9/19/16

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MysticGon wrote:


Nogara-san wrote:

Religion needs to stay out of any politics whatsoever. Whatever deity you chose to worship(or don't) is private business. That's the problem with this country....






It's not a private matter though...


It is when you have politicians telling women what to do with their own bodies, like prolife laws, for example.



No, my point was religious people are instructed by their faith to not be private about their faith and the First Amendment gives you the freedom to talk about and express it.
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Posted 9/19/16

Nogara-san wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Bigotry is its own license. You don't need religion to act bigoted, you have that right to be an ass. However, when this concerns protecting religious freedom, I tend to go on a case by case basis.

I honestly think clerks should do their job though, but I might change opinion on that.


You work in the public sector...you need to deal with all aspects of people, whether they believe the same as you or not.


I tend to be believe that a private business that take place in a public venue do not have the right to discriminate, but that businesses where the person IS the business, such as a wedding photographer, I don't think they're obligated to offer their services to most people.


I need more examples though.
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No, my point was religious people are instructed by their faith to not be private about their faith and the First Amendment gives you the freedom to talk about and express it.



I misunderstood you then. I apologize.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Bigotry is its own license. You don't need religion to act bigoted, you have that right to be an ass. However, when this concerns protecting religious freedom, I tend to go on a case by case basis.

I honestly think clerks should do their job though, but I might change opinion on that.


Holy shit... +1
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Posted 9/19/16 , edited 9/19/16

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No, my point was religious people are instructed by their faith to not be private about their faith and the First Amendment gives you the freedom to talk about and express it.



I misunderstood you then. I apologize.


No worries...

Double post I know, too lazy to edit.
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Posted 9/19/16

PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Nogara-san wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Bigotry is its own license. You don't need religion to act bigoted, you have that right to be an ass. However, when this concerns protecting religious freedom, I tend to go on a case by case basis.

I honestly think clerks should do their job though, but I might change opinion on that.


You work in the public sector...you need to deal with all aspects of people, whether they believe the same as you or not.


I tend to be believe that a private business that take place in a public venue do not have the right to discriminate, but that businesses where the person IS the business, such as a wedding photographer, I don't think they're obligated to offer their services to most people.


I need more examples though.



There are some things that I'll agree and say it's common sense; for example you need a photographer for your same sex wedding and you ask a Christian photographer who says hell no...I mean, *shrugs* come on now.

However, if you're a baker and your same sex partner and you want a cake and this baker says hell no? Sorry, but the baker's working for the public, which means deal with it.
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Posted 9/19/16 , edited 9/21/16

Nogara-san wrote:

There are some things that I'll agree and say it's common sense; for example you need a photographer for your same sex wedding and you ask a Christian photographer who says hell no...I mean, *shrugs* come on now.

However, if you're a baker and your same sex partner and you want a cake and this baker says hell no? Sorry, but the baker's working for the public, which means deal with it.


I see, you do pose a great point.


On another point, I don't see why religion is being used as a legal excuse for bigotry. Whether or not you want to act bigoted shouldn't claimant on whether or not its for a religious reason, but rather the circumstances of how said bigotry will go about.

Why make a special case for religion? I don't really understand. I have deeply held convictions about many things. No, suddenly my view on God is what changes everything?
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I just wish atheists would stop shitting themselves every time they see a religious symbol displayed somewhere, or hear the word God. I mean if you don't believe in god, religious symbols should not mean anything to you. Just think of it as art and move on.
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i feel that religion shouldn't have too much say in how society in run, keep it out of the education system(if students want to pray or such let them but anything more is to much) limit its influence in politics and don't let some of the more barbaric aspect be allowed to continue for example circumcision but i don't think religion should be out rate banned though their are a few exceptions but those are more extreme cases.


Actually these days people want to get circumcised so they don't split their foreskin when doing anal but yeah I agree somewhat.


one of the main problems with the practice when done for religious reasons is probably the majority of the time its done to kids and some additional aspects to the ritual involved are also somewhat disturbing from my understanding on what happens. plus if their is a complication chances are its not going to be minor.
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I'm not sure why its so hard for a select few painfully vocal people. It's pretty easy:

1) Your freedom ends where someone else's begins.

2) Religious freedom means both the freedom to and freedom from religion.

3) If you work for a secular government you don't get to piss and moan when you're ask to do your job in a secular fashion.

If you don't like it, find another job.

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dragonlord1234 wrote:

i feel that religion shouldn't have too much say in how society in run, keep it out of the education system(if students want to pray or such let them but anything more is to much) limit its influence in politics and don't let some of the more barbaric aspect be allowed to continue for example circumcision but i don't think religion should be out rate banned though their are a few exceptions but those are more extreme cases.


Actually these days people want to get circumcised so they don't split their foreskin when doing anal but yeah I agree somewhat.


one of the main problems with the practice when done for religious reasons is probably the majority of the time its done to kids and some additional aspects to the ritual involved are also somewhat disturbing from my understanding on what happens. plus if their is a complication chances are its not going to be minor.


You are absolutely right and it's even worse when done to girls.
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