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Post Reply Religious freedom=license for bigotry yes or no?
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Posted 9/19/16 , edited 9/21/16

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You are absolutely right and it's even worse when done to girls.


personally i think both should be treated as the barbaric practices they are

edit also to when i refer to circumcision i usually use the word as a generalization for both male and female genital mutilation
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Posted 9/19/16 , edited 9/21/16

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I see, you do pose a great point.

On another point, I don't see why religion is being used as a legal excuse for bigotry. Whether or not you want to act bigoted shouldn't claimant on whether or not its for a religious reason, but rather the circumstances of how said bigotry will go about.


I agree with you 100 percent. One's religion shouldn't be an excuse to discriminate against anyone, but people want an excuse to act like assholes and get away with it. At least, in this day and age anyway. And certain presidental candidates aren't helping matters.



Why make a special case for religion? I don't really understand. I have deeply held convictions about many things. No, suddenly my view on God is what changes everything?


I don't understand either...but I"m not particularly religious anyway. But, like I said, I do believe seriously that people want an excuse to act like assholes to others without getting called on it. So, they use religion as an excuse.


I just wish atheists would stop shitting themselves every time they see a religious symbol displayed somewhere, or hear the word God. I mean if you don't believe in god, religious symbols should not mean anything to you. Just think of it as art and move on.


This too. There's a lot of lovely churches and religious art that are out there!
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If you ask me, separation of church and state should also mean that religious matters should be left out of both politics AND our education system. After all, it's called separation of church and state for a reason.
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If you ask me, separation of church and state should also mean that religious matters should be left out of both politics AND our education system. After all, it's called separation of church and state for a reason.


Well, technically, that is exactly what it means. That's why the fundamentalists are always trying to push shit through underhanded means and legally gray areas.
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I just wish atheists would stop shitting themselves every time they see a religious symbol displayed somewhere, or hear the word God. I mean if you don't believe in god, religious symbols should not mean anything to you. Just think of it as art and move on.


Ultimately the symbols are just that, symbols. It's the meaning a behind the symbol that is important. For different people a symbol can have different meanings. To those "shitting bricks" atheists the cross represents something completely different than it would to a Christian.


"I think ideally, the principle of religious freedom allows people to engage in whatever worldview they have a preference for, and this freedom should be granted equally and fairly to all worldviews not a privileged few. A popular worldview is that of Christianity, in which faithful observers have been known to act on claims about Gods view of homosexuality and the fate of unborn fetuses. And many people disagree with these claims.

So this dispute raises the question of whether we can always provide provisions for both sides in everyday life and avoid finger pointing and accusations of discrimination
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I'd say one on one or small group discussions are best. Otherwise you just end up with people killing each other.
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Elektrolysis wrote:
If you ask me, separation of church and state should also mean that religious matters should be left out of both politics AND our education system. After all, it's called separation of church and state for a reason.


Well, technically, that is exactly what it means. That's why the fundamentalists are always trying to push shit through underhanded means and legally gray areas.


Yep, that's what it means, but unfortunately religion still has its influence in both the realm of politics and in the classroom regardless. Also, if you're not Christian it becomes exceedingly difficult to win favor for office, particularly for those running for President. 'Tis a shame, but it is what it is. This is a predominantly Christian dominated nation and that probably won't change for quite some time. Hopefully someday we'll be truly secular, but I won't get my hopes up in regards to that.
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dragonlord1234 wrote:

i feel that religion shouldn't have too much say in how society in run, keep it out of the education system(if students want to pray or such let them but anything more is to much) limit its influence in politics and don't let some of the more barbaric aspect be allowed to continue for example circumcision but i don't think religion should be out rate banned though their are a few exceptions but those are more extreme cases.


Actually these days people want to get circumcised so they don't split their foreskin when doing anal but yeah I agree somewhat.


Woah woah woah...So people can't wrap their minds around the concept of plentiful lube and mutilate their genitals instead? Well that's fucking stupid.
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Being a Christian myself one must remain as humble and polite and as loving as possible. Even if we tend to disagree with the mass populace. For Christian's it comes down to what the world thinks and what God thinks. We tend to take God's word for it. It doesn't matter what religion you are you should be able to freely express your opinions. Unfortunately, it seem's that freedom is slowly fading away.
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I'm an atheist and I love photographing churches for the art and architecture. I've seen many beautiful ones in my travels through China. I think some people are mistaken about atheists hating on crosses and images of Jesus. Since there is meaning behind them for Christians, why do atheists and other non-Christians have to foot the bill for them being built in public places? Wouldn't a Christian complain if they knew some of their tax dollars are going towards a satanic goat in a park? Why not appreciate it as art and move on?

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The separation of church and state, referred to keeping the government from interfering with people's religion of choice. Don't forget that most of the original colonists to America were fleeing religious persecution from European governments. Liberals have tried twisting the meaning of Freedom of religion to be Freedom from religion.
While fundies have tried deceiving people into thinking the term freedom of religion was explicitly written into the Constitution. It wasn't it's just what we refer to today as shorthand for prohibiting laws that establish or limit the free exercise of religion. The idea is the same but the wording refers only to what the government is allowed or not allowed to do. Therefore people ARE free from religion because government is not allowed to impose it on anyone (according to the literal meaning of freedom of religion) and people are not allowed to impose it on each other (according to that simple idea of "do unto others...").

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No. Religious Freedom was implemented the prevent those of differing faiths from discriminating against each other, and that freedom has limits. Faith healing, and witch trails and burnings are not protected by freedom of religion as it currently stands. And, racism and discriminatory practices that do harm to people can and have been made illegal. Religious, Atheist, or not. People cannot deny on service or hospitality because of that person's religion, and government workers are not allowed to dictate everyone's rights by their individual religious beliefs because of it is written in the US constitution itself. It is also by these actions that there is a separation of church and state. And, we are much better for it.

This is nation not for the sole sake of Christianity, but the peoples of this nation and it's pursuit of happiness and betterment for all. And, that is the USA that I was born and raised to believe in.
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i am an easy going guy,
i just think, no matter who the imaginary friend you have,
you belong into an institution where people believe in imaginary friends.
makes things easy, you dont interfere in matters you dont get.
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Monnkai wrote: We tend to take God's word for it.
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Monnkai wrote:Unfortunately, it seem's that freedom is slowly fading away.
So how about an example where freedom is relatively scarcer now than it was in the past? And what in your view caused that instance? I'm interested cause I don't see this happening to any obvious degree.

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The idea of religious freedom is something i would define like this. Its to annoy the shit out of people, but then they will get so bored and we will all get along. You just have to have a good endurance lol
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