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paulchaested wrote:
Digibro's "Why SAO sucks" and Mother's Basement's in-depth review of SAO. That's all I have to say.

do you regularly let other people decide your opinion for you, or just when it comes to anime?


No I don't, I form my own opinions and my opinion just happens to be very similar to Digibro's and Mother's Basement. Digibro and MB just happened to make very good YouTube videos of it and when I saw them I said, "Well you took the words out of mouth."

In case you're wondering, here's my very short and simple opinion of Re:Zero:

I liked Re:Zero a lot. It wasn't perfect, it had it's flaws but it was great. -original opinion by paulchaested
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Clearly we need a crossover where Kirito gets bodyjacked by Betelgeuse and then proceeds to weild a sword in each invisible hand.
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At least Sword Art was original. Meanwhile Re:zero just threw every single popular anime trope to the wall to see what sticks. Most otaku-pandering series since the invention of moe.


The .Hack ripoff with inferior music was original?



Sword Art was written in 2001.

Shh they don't want to hear facts. They just want a reason to hate something that went mainstream.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


ThisWasATriumph wrote:


BaronKrause wrote:


ThisWasATriumph wrote:

At least Sword Art was original. Meanwhile Re:zero just threw every single popular anime trope to the wall to see what sticks. Most otaku-pandering series since the invention of moe.


The .Hack ripoff with inferior music was original?



Sword Art was written in 2001.

Shh they don't want to hear facts. They just want a reason to hate something that went mainstream.


Am I missing something? The first novel was published in 2009.

EDIT: Never mind, think I found it.
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ThisWasATriumph wrote:

At least Sword Art was original. Meanwhile Re:zero just threw every single popular anime trope to the wall to see what sticks. Most otaku-pandering series since the invention of moe.


Re zero took every trope and proceeded to deconstruct it. You think this would be fun? No, this would suck epically.

I'm not sure how it's otaku pandering. It's not a power fantasy like SAO. Subaru isn't immediately beating everyone like Sora (NGNL). It basically took the otaku pandering tropes and showed how they would actually really suck. He didn't magically become strong or socially competent. He had to earn everything the hard way with the exception of return by death, which could arguably be seen as a curse.

Even Hitomi (Escaflowne) was more useful right off the bat than Subaru was. Yona is the only recent mc I can think of who was less useful than Subaru at the start of their shows.
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Seeing as you're a MAKI fan, liking awful tsundere girls is, ahem, expected.

Now I get it! You just don't know what tsun is. Tsk

First you think Maki is tsun, which although she has tendencies in a very much contrived way, she is not really all that tsun, and now you think Asuna and Liz are, too? What xD

Plus the fact that you like Nico who is 100% tsun

Ahh Nico fans.


Y u so noob.

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Fuck it, I'll throw a Molotov into this.

My answer is actually quite simple. SAO has a problem with developing and already-developed characters. The only character arcs that appear are wrapped up relatively short into their introduction, but since the anime still needs eye candy, they kinda just sit around and don't add anything. Kirito DID have inklings of development, but it was never really expounded on it very much. His PTSD for killing players in SAO is founded rather well, but to ignore it for another cour and have it pop back in is a bit jarring. Only about 20% of the cast was necessary at any given time. Mother's Rosario flipped this idea around and managed to have a group of one-off characters that I liked, Yuuki even being one of my favorite SAO characters period, but that's pretty much the only instance of me caring for a character.

Re:Zero on the other hand oozes itself in development, which can sometimes work in its opposition to be fair. There isn't a single time a character leaps to a conclusion or magically becomes a character ultra powerful. Everything felt like a row of dominos, where one thing clearly affected the other. The characters that weren't needed didn't show up, and the characters that were there were there for a purpose. And I don't think I need to mention Subaru's grueling journey of self-discovery. But this is where the opinion splits. Do you let each and every negative quality of a character come out in the open for the sake of development and risk losing audience, or do you skip a couple moments and hope people get the gist of it and risk losing authenticity of development? I think part of the interest of Subaru's brutish and naive behavior is because we're seeing every step he takes to become a better person. It's the same reason why Boku no Hero Academia is so intriguing, because it shows how hard Izuku works to become a hero. I think this anime is best enjoyed as a person who delves into character development, otherwise it seems like a really long way to make a guy not be a dick.

I think the simplest way to put it is that SAO puts its narrative towards background and exposition while Re:Zero puts its narrative strictly on development.
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My liege... You should have made this a fashion battle. Then we could compare Kirito's edgelord jacket against Subaru's hideous tracksuit. That's the real battle.

Someone start making an anime fashion tournament, ASAP.
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My liege... You should have made this a fashion battle. Then we could compare Kirito's edgelord jacket against Subaru's hideous tracksuit. That's the real battle.

Someone start making an anime fashion tournament, ASAP.


Subaru and Yato can have a tracksuit battle. XD
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LokiLB wrote:


Cait_Sidhe wrote:

My liege... You should have made this a fashion battle. Then we could compare Kirito's edgelord jacket against Subaru's hideous tracksuit. That's the real battle.

Someone start making an anime fashion tournament, ASAP.


Subaru and Yato can have a tracksuit battle. XD


So a jogging contest, then!

Seriously though, I hate that tracksuit.
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Fuck it, I'll throw a Molotov into this.

My answer is actually quite simple. SAO has a problem with developing and already-developed characters. The only character arcs that appear are wrapped up relatively short into their introduction, but since the anime still needs eye candy, they kinda just sit around and don't add anything. Kirito DID have inklings of development, but it was never really expounded on it very much. His PTSD for killing players in SAO is founded rather well, but to ignore it for another cour and have it pop back in is a bit jarring. Only about 20% of the cast was necessary at any given time. Mother's Rosario flipped this idea around and managed to have a group of one-off characters that I liked, Yuuki even being one of my favorite SAO characters period, but that's pretty much the only instance of me caring for a character.

Re:Zero on the other hand oozes itself in development, which can sometimes work in its opposition to be fair. There isn't a single time a character leaps to a conclusion or magically becomes a character ultra powerful. Everything felt like a row of dominos, where one thing clearly affected the other. The characters that weren't needed didn't show up, and the characters that were there were there for a purpose. And I don't think I need to mention Subaru's grueling journey of self-discovery. But this is where the opinion splits. Do you let each and every negative quality of a character come out in the open for the sake of development and risk losing audience, or do you skip a couple moments and hope people get the gist of it and risk losing authenticity of development? I think part of the interest of Subaru's brutish and naive behavior is because we're seeing every step he takes to become a better person. It's the same reason why Boku no Hero Academia is so intriguing, because it shows how hard Izuku works to become a hero. I think this anime is best enjoyed as a person who delves into character development, otherwise it seems like a really long way to make a guy not be a dick.

I think the simplest way to put it is that SAO puts its narrative towards background and exposition while Re:Zero puts its narrative strictly on development.


Perfect 10/10 answer right here. The main issue is that people are a bunch of babies who don't like having to see a protagonist with bad qualities and actually take the right amount of time to overcome them. They would just rather have it be presented as "Here's how this character is lacking, now here's a training montage or an image of them sitting in an empty room with footage of all their shortcomings and mistakes playing in the background while they argue with themselves, and voila, now all of their flaws are fixed and they're a perfect protagonist!". Characters like Deku from My Hero Academia and Haruhiro from Grimgar don't receive as much hate as Subaru do, yet they share quite a lot in common with Subaru. These characters are the ideal protagonists, they start from zero and have to claw their way up to greatness, they aren't just magically powerful and can overcome all their obstacles, they truly have to struggle to better themselves. It just so happens that Subaru's struggling is made more unsightly by his incompetence, which is quite reasonably justified.
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Was not the biggest fan of SAO's method of character development, and there's plenty of junk content. (sorry not sorry)

They both are definitely likeable anime, each having interesting qualities.

Re:Zero has a protag that despite the bar starting low, that makes plenty of room for it to go way up.
The characters seem to be plenty more purposeful as well. I mean well, there's less use of...unessential characters.

^ Precisely how it was said, focus on background vs. focus on development


Also, for the Re:Zero fans (If any didn't know, probably did though.) The Re:Zero web novel series has an amount of content that if it were to become anime some day, it could go well over three seasons.

So...you may have the chance to look forward to that?
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GoldTStar wrote:

I hate Kirito more than Subaru, even though Subaru makes me cringe constantly. There were no good girls in SAO. Rem is best girl in Re:Zero. I love Emilia. Overall, they're both overrated. Re: Zero is better because i said so.


THIS, Lol.
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staphen wrote:



Am I missing something? The first novel was published in 2009.

EDIT: Never mind, think I found it.


Right, first story was written for a writing contest in, well actually it was 2002, my mistake, but it ended up being too long and the author couldn't submit it.

An excerpt from the Afterwards of the first novel-


I wrote Sword Art Online for the Dengeki Light Novel Award
seven years ago in 2002, and it was the first novel I ever wrote.

But when I somehow managed to complete it, the manuscript was far
longer than 120 pages, which was the cutline back then. Since I had
neither the skill nor the will to trim this down to fit the cutline, I
kneeled facing the wall and muttered "I don't care anymore..."

But because of my weak personality, I couldn't erase the whole
manuscript and simply thought "why don't I post this up on the
internet then?"; I made a website that fall. Luckily I was able to
receive good responses from a lot of people. With this as my
motivation, I kept on going with the series; I wrote a sequel, a sidestory,
and then another sequel. I carried on like this and before I knew
it, six years had already passed.

It was 2008 when I decided to try again. I wrote another story (which
was once again far longer than the cutline, but I barely managed to
trim it down to 120 pages) and then entered it to the Dengeki Light
Novel Award. Thanks to some overwhelming good luck, I managed
to receive the grand prize-

....

[January 28th 2009, Kawahara Reki.]


Ironically, Accel World was the novel that ended up winning him the prize. A far less popular series.

But Sword Art ended up becoming super popular and so the author kept writing more side stories to fit into the relatively short main novel and eventually there was enough to adapt into an anime, but not without some pacing issues as many tend to note.

About half the material used in the first season was added later as side stories. Like all the episodes with the different girls which were basically written by popular demand, ala dating sims.

Obviously this ended up making the anime storyline not quite as focused as it could have been, (ignoring the Fairy Dance adaptation issues for the moment).

Reki Kawahara, fully aware of this fundamental problem, decided to rewrite the series from the ground up. And thus SAO Progressive was born. Maybe, in like 10 years, it will get an anime too.

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Also, fun fact, in the original novel, the story takes place in 2012 (it was the future at the time!) and there were 50,000 people trapped instead of 10,000.
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I'm a huge SAO fan, so I give it up to SAO regardless of whatever anime.

but also personal preference, I have yet to see an anime make me watch and be attach to it so much as SAO.

Re:Zero is an amazing anime, I love all the characters, it's pretty much the best anime of the season. But I will only watch once, that's it.

it will probably fade into obscurity just like, other great and amazing anime. Everyone will be waiting for the next best anime this coming fall season, and so on.

But here's to wishing for a second season of Re:Zero.
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