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Posted 9/19/16

PandAndy wrote:

Sure! Let's go ahead and release Manson from prison while were at it! I mean... he didn't actually murder anyone...



I couldn't help but laugh at this one.
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Lemontitties wrote:


PandAndy wrote:

Sure! Let's go ahead and release Manson from prison while were at it! I mean... he didn't actually murder anyone...



I couldn't help but laugh at this one.


My sarcasm just leaked out a bit... I hate when it drips like that
Posted 9/19/16
oooh, a dogpiling thread, masochistic op. While I don't care much one way or another, as he seemed to have his reasons, he did leak sensitive material so technically .. that is a crime. No one should be above the law, high or low, no one. Again I don't care nor care to participate in this debate than to say, idk but for fuck's sake give him a fair trial, if only so you can say you did, and save face.
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PandAndy wrote:
Read about half way down. The trial would be a-typical but it does not mean he cannot plead his case to expedite punishment.


I'm not sure how pleading your case to expedite your own punishment qualifies as a "fair trial"? He can't make his case to the jury in a court of law. Only raise mitigating circumstances during sentencing and as that article points out: That worked so well for Chelsea Manning.



PandAndy wrote:
Sure! Let's go ahead and release Manson from prison while were at it! I mean... he didn't actually murder anyone...


You're comparing apples to lawn gnomes.
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No. A pardon is for crimes committed and punishment assigned. Snowden cannot be pardoned until he is brought to trial and if found guilty, sentenced.

That Mr. Snowden made the public aware of law enforcement actions that were illegal does not excuse his own illegal actions.

I would have more respect for Mr. Snowden if he had stayed and went to trial for his beliefs. That he instead fled to Russia to me shows that he does not have the courage of his convictions.

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to be honest all I know about this guy is that he's in russia and there's a movie about him and I highly doubt any online petition for this would actually work.
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I'll sign the petition for that traitor's execution ...preferably after he gets a tomahawk missile up his keaster!

All he needs to do is donate enough money to the Clinton foundation and all will be forgiven! If Hillary's health survives and that felon is elected, the Federal government will probably pay to get him back and give him a high paying job in intelligence.
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I don't think a pardon will do any good even if it does pass.
As soon as he hits US soil, I'm willing to bet he'll be involved in some kind of "accident" soon after.
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Why would I sign this, the man is 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt guilty of his charges. There is no innonce for him to defend and protest over. If he had a shred of decency he'd face the punishment for his crimes. Whatever the reasons he broke the law in a rather significant way, the law must apply evenly and harshly to all or it is not the law.
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Posted 9/19/16

runec wrote:


PandAndy wrote:
Sure! Let's go ahead and release Manson from prison while were at it! I mean... he didn't actually murder anyone...


You're comparing apples to lawn gnomes.


Not really. What you're asking for is a reinterpretation of the law specifically for Snowden, like he's special simply because he acted in public interest... but he still committed the crime, right? Perhaps he didn't sell government secrets to a foreign nation... nor did Manson murder anyone; he only demanded that others do it (I could tell you to jump off a bridge but whether you did or not is entirely up to you,) so the first degree murder charges are false...

If you see the inference I'm trying to make, you'll see how incredibly retarded the plea is. Manson still incited murder and can stay in prison until he dies. Snowden still committed espionage and can face the law as it is or keep his ass in Russia until he dies.
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Snowden deserves to pay for his crimes. He knew what he did was wrong, he knows he is guilty and he should accept the consequences of his actions. He is a traitor and should rot in jail for what he's done regardless of his alleged "good intentions".

If he truly believes what he did was right then imprisonment shouldn't matter to him at all. He should return to the U.S. and be the hero some of you here claim he is..but he hasn't and most likely never will. Is it because he realizes he did more harm than good or is it because he knows he was wrong to leak the information in the first place?
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Posted 9/20/16
To yanks Mr Snowden is criminal BUT rest to the world he's a hero.
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Posted 9/20/16
ill pass. prefer him to stay out of the reach of the democrats and their hired thugs.
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Just putting this in here:
John Oliver interviews Edward Snowden on Last Week Tonight HBO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M
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I must say I'm quite disgusted at how so many people believe that no matter how beneficial someone's action is, they still deserve to go to jail just because some guy wrote a law that says so. If you guys want to live under a dictatorship, I'm sure North Korea would love to welcome you. If a law says that it's illegal to perform charitable acts, that law not only deserves to be broken, it absolutely needs to be broken for the sake of everyone living under that law. The amount of people in this thread alone saying Snowden should be jail for no reason other than a law says so, ignoring the circumstances, is very disturbing. If Snowden never broke this retarded law, nobody would've ever learned about this atrocity being committed by our government. Would you guys prefer having your money stolen by a cop without your knowledge just because the people who do know about can't legally speak up? It makes no sense. Snowden wasn't in the wrong. The government was. Even our own allies have a hard time trusting us after finding out we've been secretly spying on them. Putin is probably laughing at us right us now because our government isn't as clean as we previously advertised.

Unfortunately, I don't think Obama would pardon Snowden no matter how many people sign the petition and donate. Obama supports the NSA's illegal activities. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump would likely be worse. Trump specifically appears to be on some kind of crusade against the Constitution and thinks privacy shouldn't exist. Gary Johnson is the only candidate who wants to pardon Snowden, but the odds of him winning right now are slim. I have no idea where Jill Stein stands on this.


PandAndy wrote:

Sure! Let's go ahead and release Manson from prison while were at it! I mean... he didn't actually murder anyone...



You say that as if doing a public service by exposing an illegal government operation that targets innocent people is the same as convincing someone to commit murder... All laws are not created equal. Please realize how ridiculous your analogy was.


MeanderCat wrote:

I would have more respect for Mr. Snowden if he had stayed and went to trial for his beliefs. That he instead fled to Russia to me shows that he does not have the courage of his convictions.


Or maybe he just doesn't have faith that he'd be treated fairly, just like any other rational person would think. As long as the Espionage Act treats him like he's the Antichrist, he'll never get a proper trial. Until that law gets fixed, he'd have to be crazy to think of setting foot back here.
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