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https://www.rt.com/usa/359938-terence-crutcher-video-released/

I would like to see laws passed that prohibit officers firing on civilians until fired upon or charged with a weapon.
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MysticGon wrote:

https://www.rt.com/usa/359938-terence-crutcher-video-released/

I would like to see laws passed that prohibit officers firing on civilians until fired upon or charged with a weapon.


Yeah, you stand there waiting to be shot at first. lol

Follow instructions from the cops and you won't be shot. The dude was walking to his car against orders, and is seen reaching at his waist when he gets there.

He was told to get on the ground and he decided to take a stroll... tough titties.
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One of the people posting above me has a very poor understanding of proportionate response.

Guess who it is.
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I'd say at least 95% of these shootings could have been avoided has the suspect simply complied with the officer's orders. Do you honestly think a white cop wants to shoot a black suspect today, knowing the shitstorm that the media is going to drag him and his family into?

They shot because he was not complying with the orders and behaving suspiciously while atleast 3 officers had guns pointed at him. After watching the video several times, I think this was more of a suicide by cop than racist cops deciding to shoot a black man in the middle of the road for no reason at all.
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One of the people posting above me, does not understand it only takes a second for someone to reach into their belt grab a gun and shoot.
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Life is not a video game. You don't get to respawn when someone shoots you. Someone, ANYONE, points a gun at you, it's better to do what they say than to ignore them and hope they will just walk away.
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MysticGon wrote:

https://www.rt.com/usa/359938-terence-crutcher-video-released/

I would like to see laws passed that prohibit officers firing on civilians until fired upon or charged with a weapon.


Yeah, you stand there waiting to be shot at first. lol

Follow instructions from the cops and you won't be shot. The dude was walking to his car against orders, and is seen reaching at his waist when he gets there.

He was told to get on the ground and he decided to take a stroll... tough titties.


Actually, that's the officers' claim but we have not seen the dash cam and officer cam (if they had any) footage. The only footage I have seen released is from a police helicopter.

Riddle me this: Why was no first aid rendered or even attempted for two minutes after the shooting? Why was there one taser fired, and just one weapon fired? If the suspect really was dangerous, why didn't the other officers draw their weapons?

I'm not sure how cameras on helicopters are mounted, or if this was integrated into the pilot's helmet, but I do find it odd that instead of going to the left to keep the suspect in sight, the pilot actually went right and interposed the bulk of the vehicle between the suspect and the camera. It would make sense if the camera was helmet mounted (the pilot would be on the left side of the airframe), but not if it were on an independent mount under the helicopter.
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Xxanthar wrote:

I'd say at least 95% of these shootings could have been avoided has the suspect simply complied with the officer's orders. Do you honestly think a white cop wants to shoot a black suspect today, knowing the shitstorm that the media is going to drag him and his family into?

They shot because he was not complying with the orders and behaving suspiciously while atleast 3 officers had guns pointed at him. After watching the video several times, I think this was more of a suicide by cop than racist cops deciding to shoot a black man in the middle of the road for no reason at all.


Something we agree on.

I'm really tired of people not complying with cops orders and crying foul when there are consequences for it, both lethal and non-lethal. They act like shouting "I'm not resisting!" while they fight and run away actually makes it true.

I would love to have audio of what was being said on the ground because from that video you have no idea what he is doing. Reaching for a gun? Getting ready to hop in and drive off? No clue. Too dangerous to just let him be on his way when you haven't been able to sort out the situation. Especially these days when you have people luring cops in just to kill them. It's tense enough on both sides as it is. No reason to add to a situation like that by ignoring what you are being told. That goes for both sides too.
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Nevermind, my point has been proven for me and the guessing game has been ruined. Oh well.
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They shot him because they let him disobey orders long enough to let him reach a car where a potential weapon could be, where he did become a threat as a suspicious person who is not complying and acting strangely. What they should have done was tasered him while he was walking against orders, before he got to the vehicle, while his hands were still up, too far away from the rest of his body where a weapon could be, that way there was no chance he could have pulled some kind of weapon out or even made it look like he was going to pull some kind of weapon out, and that way there was absolutely no reason/excuse to fire. He would have not have been able to reach the level of threat that they let him be if they had just taken more decisive action sooner.

The man is in the wrong for not complying, too. Orders from officers are as basic as they can be. "Get on the ground!" The officers are wrong, too, for not taking the correct course of action. To shift blame solely onto one party is delusional.
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Xxanthar wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

https://www.rt.com/usa/359938-terence-crutcher-video-released/

I would like to see laws passed that prohibit officers firing on civilians until fired upon or charged with a weapon.


Yeah, you stand there waiting to be shot at first. lol

Follow instructions from the cops and you won't be shot. The dude was walking to his car against orders, and is seen reaching at his waist when he gets there.

He was told to get on the ground and he decided to take a stroll... tough titties.


Actually, that's the officers' claim but we have not seen the dash cam and officer cam (if they had any) footage. The only footage I have seen released is from a police helicopter.

Riddle me this: Why was no first aid rendered or even attempted for two minutes after the shooting? Why was there one taser fired, and just one weapon fired? If the suspect really was dangerous, why didn't the other officers draw their weapons?

I'm not sure how cameras on helicopters are mounted, or if this was integrated into the pilot's helmet, but I do find it odd that instead of going to the left to keep the suspect in sight, the pilot actually went right and interposed the bulk of the vehicle between the suspect and the camera. It would make sense if the camera was helmet mounted (the pilot would be on the left side of the airframe), but not if it were on an independent mount under the helicopter.


Like all the other shootings the police will release all the evidence at the time of trial if the grand jury decides one is warranted. The press does not get to conduct the trial on TV.

Do you honestly think the police would shoot someone for no reason at all with dash cams and a helicopter recording it all?


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Xxanthar wrote:

Like all the other shootings the police will release all the evidence at the time of trial if the grand jury decides one is warranted. The press does not get to conduct the trial on TV.

Do you honestly think the police would shoot someone for no reason at all with dash cams and a helicopter recording it all?

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Funny I should see that right after reading this.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-future/police-accidentally-record-themselves-conspiring-fabricate-criminal-charges-against

Yeah, I really don't think the idea of police doing stupid things is that far fetched at this point.
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I don't know, I was taught at a pretty early age to do what a cop says or you can get shot. Did they stop teaching this at some point?
I'm going to pass on arguing about the dead guy's stupidity, anymore today. He paid the ultimate price for being an idiot, and that's all there is to it.
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I was never taught that a policeman has the right to shoot you if you don't do what they say. I know the reason why, too. It's because they aren't.
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