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We're not 7. We can tell when someone is being a troll. You're not trying to understand anyone and it's quite clear by the way you're talking down to everyone.


You dont answer questions or react in any way, why?
Yeah, i might formulate a little harsh, but not for trolling, i really wanna know.
How can you look at this country and think its the best in the world?
how can you look at this country and think its leading the world?
Why is it so hard to accept flaws and work on it?



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How much say in how things are run do you think everyday citizens actually have?
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How much say in how things are run do you think everyday citizens actually have?

said little Alfred and joined the Wehrmacht




(fun fact:years later people would say Alfred was a Nazi and shame him)

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You dont answer questions or react in any way, why?
Yeah, i might formulate a little harsh, but not for trolling, i really wanna know.
How can you look at this country and think its the best in the world?
how can you look at this country and think its leading the world?

Why is it so hard to accept flaws and work on it?






How do you even come to the conclusion that alot of people actually still think this?
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How much say in how things are run do you think everyday citizens actually have?


said little Alfred and joined the Wehrmacht




(fun fact:years later people would say Alfred was a Nazi and shame him)



Wanna tell me who little Alfred is?
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arano wrote:

So, i grew up in the 90s, and we loved everything american here in Europe,
i had it all, WWF tradecards, skateboard,walkman,...etc (yeah, i am old)
and then slowly it transformed,.....
We got all the good stuff in Europe now without the bad shit, what happened?
So i was wondering, do american kids know that we laugh at them singing the anthem in class and shit like that?
(there are really schools that teach creationism?thats so scientology of you guys, damn...)
Do americans know that in Europe we see you just a little less developt like russians?
What happened?You used to be our dream!
And while the last questions might not work with you since you love those stars and stripes(LOL?)
here is a good one:
Could it be that the size of a country matter, look at it, it seems the smaller the country in the western world, the better it does, maybe we should think about borders differently?maybe three small U.S.A. would actually be awesome?


I don't really know of anything popular in America coming out of Europe right now. Feel like most of it comes from Asia now a days.

The economy was enjoying a short term boom based on irresponsible economic politics systematically created for short term gains but with disastrous long term consequences. During this boom we had tons of money and tons of investments in the entertainment industry. We also were getting better socially without actually facing many of our issues.

Now the economic hens have come to roost and we have the largest income inequality we've ever had. Our wages are stagnant and our cost of living has never been higher. Conservatives state that its because of all the lazy millennials just incapable of doing work (bullcrap100%) and the liberals blame the corporations. While the liberals are more correct the concepts and ideas put forth to help our economy have been terrible from both sides.

Secondly we have gotten to a point where racial issues, LGBTQ issues and socialism issues have been brought to the forefront. They had all been gaining speed steadily and mostly undisturbed until the conservative backlash against these. The few racist, bigoted and anti-socialist crowd are still a considerable portion of the voting body of America. So they have cranked conservatism into hardcore mode and attempted to roadblock any new ideas. This has successfully caused a polarising division in our country which makes it hard to get anything done. Well unless you have tons of money and spend it all on lobbying.

In short the TLDR version is that our leaders are corrupt and short sighted. We had a huge boom which then fell flat because of the same policies.


finally a real answer, thank you!

My question:why is it so hard for americans to admit those flaws?
and what the fuck is going on, i mean, we all thought its funny with Trump,
but at this point you tell the world that half your country is stupid, what happened?
I know, the strong guy, against the establishment etc,...but you fought Hitler,
what was he? this is just nuts.


IDK. I'm of the opinion humanity is pretty much garbage. About 80% of the country isn't interested in politics and therefore don't actually vote. So the people who are screaming for conservatism is actually the older generation and about 10-15% of actual America. The reason is the same reason people are religious. Its ideological in nature. People were raised a certain way with certain axioms implanted within them. The older generation are what is referred to as the Baby boomers. The baby boomers were born from the huge jump in population right after WWII where the economy had a huge burst because of the War being such a huge driver of the economy. So they were born into what is easily one of the wealthiest times in our history. They also lived through the appliance revolution which drastically changed all our lives. They saw the introduction of electricity and water to be mainstream for all houses not just those in the city. They saw in their teen to mid 30's the social revolutions of the 60's for African Americans.

Overall they have been told their whole life by a very very very effective nationalization initiative created by our country in order to instil patriotism. "AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!" "WE HAVE FREEDOM!" "PEOPLE DIED FOR YOUR FREEDOM!" Ect ect ect. Those people during that generation saw zero reason to not believe it. Its true. All three of those statements were pretty true at the time. Europe was in shambles, Asia was still developing and Russia hated us. One man could work a 40 hour a week 9-5 job with no college and support a wife and 2.4 children in the suburban area with a house, 2 cars and all the appliances they could ever want. University was cheap and junior universities (covering only the first 2 years or trade schools) was free and public funded.

In the 70's conservatism reached its peak with Ronald Regan. He had an electric personality with charisma to spare. When he spoke the women swooned in their long skirts and men got a no-homo boner out of sheer respect. At least that is how many conservatives remember it today. Regan was lucky. Nothing went drastically wrong in his presidency and his talk of removing the government from the lives of the people sounded great. Roads were good. Wages were high. Cost of living was low and college and jobs were easy to come by. So why the fuck not get the government out of the way?

Well it was those regulations that held our country together economically. People with tons of money, or rather corporations which benefit from the independency clause that allows all owners of stock in a corporation to be completely immune to any charges found in flow play or broken laws, accumulated grand amounts of wealth. Slowly and systematically our lives changed. Wages slowed in growth and our cost of living skyrocketed. First women had to get jobs so the single person working in the house didn't really work anymore. They we had to get more and more debt in the form of Mortgages, car loans, student loans, ect.

But this concept that was hard wired into conservatives during the good times and some younger conservatives who believe the axioms have this pride of who they think the world is. Even the liberals usually have a misinformed and unrealistic view of how the world works.

I live by data and data alone. But most people don't. They are moved by their "feelings" rather than the facts. This is true on both sides.

Also I could bring religion into this because Conservative religious right of the American political spectrum is HUGELY involved in this. In fact possibly more than the whole post I've made just now. But I wanted to paint a picture for you as a non American.
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I just have that silly sense of educating in this case, just because i am German:
The people back then didnt know he would gas Jews in the millions, they
elected him because he wasnt part of the system, because he was charasmatic, because
he wanted to make us great again!
He reminded us of our country, pride,...etc
We learned from it, it is just so sad to see that russia and japan as the loser
and the US and britain as the winners seem to have learned nothing.
No religion, no nations, no races,....its pretty simple, you dont agree, then you are the problem.

I just really wanna understand the people that scream U.S.A....U.S.A... in this times, makes me understand my peoples past.
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arano wrote:



You dont answer questions or react in any way, why?
Yeah, i might formulate a little harsh, but not for trolling, i really wanna know.
How can you look at this country and think its the best in the world?
how can you look at this country and think its leading the world?

Why is it so hard to accept flaws and work on it?






How do you even come to the conclusion that alot of people actually still think this?


Good question, that is what arrives here, with your gun laws, gay laws, shootings, religion shit,...etc.
Is it not? is it just the media?
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IDK. I'm of the opinion humanity is pretty much garbage. About 80% of the country isn't interested in politics and therefore don't actually vote. So the people who are screaming for conservatism is actually the older generation and about 10-15% of actual America. The reason is the same reason people are religious. Its ideological in nature. People were raised a certain way with certain axioms implanted within them. The older generation are what is referred to as the Baby boomers. The baby boomers were born from the huge jump in population right after WWII where the economy had a huge burst because of the War being such a huge driver of the economy. So they were born into what is easily one of the wealthiest times in our history. They also lived through the appliance revolution which drastically changed all our lives. They saw the introduction of electricity and water to be mainstream for all houses not just those in the city. They saw in their teen to mid 30's the social revolutions of the 60's for African Americans.

Overall they have been told their whole life by a very very very effective nationalization initiative created by our country in order to instil patriotism. "AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!" "WE HAVE FREEDOM!" "PEOPLE DIED FOR YOUR FREEDOM!" Ect ect ect. Those people during that generation saw zero reason to not believe it. Its true. All three of those statements were pretty true at the time. Europe was in shambles, Asia was still developing and Russia hated us. One man could work a 40 hour a week 9-5 job with no college and support a wife and 2.4 children in the suburban area with a house, 2 cars and all the appliances they could ever want. University was cheap and junior universities (covering only the first 2 years or trade schools) was free and public funded.

In the 70's conservatism reached its peak with Ronald Regan. He had an electric personality with charisma to spare. When he spoke the women swooned in their long skirts and men got a no-homo boner out of sheer respect. At least that is how many conservatives remember it today. Regan was lucky. Nothing went drastically wrong in his presidency and his talk of removing the government from the lives of the people sounded great. Roads were good. Wages were high. Cost of living was low and college and jobs were easy to come by. So why the fuck not get the government out of the way?

Well it was those regulations that held our country together economically. People with tons of money, or rather corporations which benefit from the independency clause that allows all owners of stock in a corporation to be completely immune to any charges found in flow play or broken laws, accumulated grand amounts of wealth. Slowly and systematically our lives changed. Wages slowed in growth and our cost of living skyrocketed. First women had to get jobs so the single person working in the house didn't really work anymore. They we had to get more and more debt in the form of Mortgages, car loans, student loans, ect.

But this concept that was hard wired into conservatives during the good times and some younger conservatives who believe the axioms have this pride of who they think the world is. Even the liberals usually have a misinformed and unrealistic view of how the world works.

I live by data and data alone. But most people don't. They are moved by their "feelings" rather than the facts. This is true on both sides.

Also I could bring religion into this because Conservative religious right of the American political spectrum is HUGELY involved in this. In fact possibly more than the whole post I've made just now. But I wanted to paint a picture for you as a non American.


First of all, thank you, that was the best response i had on CR for like 3 years.

Second, how can you live there quiet?Do you plan to leave?What?

We grew up differently here, we would never vote for Trump, it is hard to understand.


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No, it isn't. In some ways it's actually quite wonderful. Speech is freer, there's a lot of open space and a wide variety of climates, the people are (generally speaking) friendly, the roads are pretty safe (though they desperately need maintenance), you can get by on cash and a lot of the basics are less expensive (especially petrol), it's not shit. It just has a lot of room for improvement, that's all. It has spectacular universities, but their tuition rates are going up too quickly and accessibility problems have been left unaddressed for decades. It has top of the line hospitals and clinics, but they're way too expensive and the private health insurance industry needs to be put to death. The police have a reputation for being brutish, and some individuals and departments certainly deserve that reputation, but mostly they're good people who are just overworked, underpaid, understaffed, don't have enough funding for the equipment they need, and are constantly catching shit for doing their jobs. The corruption runs rampant, sure. But people are sick of that, and they're acting out against it on both sides of the political aisle. It'll give eventually. Its penal system is an unmitigated disaster and totally ineffectual, but there's a path forward to fix that and people are opening their minds to it.

The US isn't the greatest nation in the world like some claim it to be (not anymore, anyway), but it's got the potential to be. It's got the right kind of people to be. And it's been either doing or moving toward doing a lot of the right things already. It's not shit. It's just something of a fixer-upper at the moment. Check in again about a decade or two from now and see where it's gotten.
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If you're not poor, the USA is probably the best country to live in. Like BlueOni said, you've got a lot of high quality but expensive hospitals, universities, and plenty of police. You can get a much nicer house in the suburbs than you can in most countries. You can do a lot of things like rent pontoon boats on lakes, visit national parks, stay in a good hotel wherever... anything you can ask for, really, and it's convenient and affordable to the middle class. It's generally cheap to import whatever you want to buy in the USA. My father orders a lot of high-end tools from Germany or wherever has the best reputation for the thing he wants, since he likes to work on cars and motorcycles and such.

Lots of good-looking people, too. But, if you're picky, it's pretty easy to travel abroad and find someone to bring back. Get yourself a boyfriend from Finland, a girlfriend from Thailand, whatever. Everyone I know who did that ended up bringing them to this country, so I guess it's the better one.

If you're poor, well, I guess it sucks to suck? Canada might be better.
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I wouldn't talk about America at the moment exactly....when Europe is a mess all over too.
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It has problems unique to it just as any other country in the world.

Btw, several people in Europe are pissed off with refugees in Europe and the results of Brexit, so no clue where you're drawing the conclusion that you are sunshine and rainbows compared to America.

We have legitimate gripes, most of which you don't see on the news. Everything you see about BLM on the news are often localized, and while they continue to spew their misinformation and regression, it's not like black pepole walk outside of their houses for fear of being shot by police officers, and police officers don't wake up everyday with the fear of some misinformed jackass shooting up a mall to kill as many policemen as he can before he goes out.

As a matter of fact, several of BLM's gripes are about as much of a non-issue as British sects of BLM (Yes, they actually exist in GB). At least in terms of racism.

Hillary and Trump are a great example of why this confusing mess of a political system is fucked up in this country.

We have a broken penal system designed to punish you rather than rehabilitate you, etc.

Racism exists in extremely localized populations, but you'd swear from what you hear on the internet that we still have white people openly bemoaning about how "dem niggers ruinin Merica", and that we still have blacks sweeping the floors in highly esteemed estanlishments, or sitting in the back of busses, etc.

Our biggest problems are the uninformed and the misinformed. I do my best to learn what I can, when I can, but I'm, at 21, extremely tardy to the party. I wasn't taught shit in school, and you can't learn anything from the internet because everyone's trying to push their petty worldviews (mah racism, mah gender, mah wage gap) upon everyone. I also used to think that the country was fucked up, too. But it's not. There are way, way worse places you could be born into. There are just sgeveral things that need to be done to make America better. Least of which is vote Trump.
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It has problems unique to it just as any other country in the world.

Btw, several people in Europe are pissed off with refugees in Europe and the results of Brexit, so no clue where you're drawing the conclusion that you are sunshine and rainbows compared to America.

We have legitimate gripes, most of which you don't see on the news. Everything you see about BLM on the news are often localized, and while they continue to spew their misinformation and regression, it's not like black pepole walk outside of their houses for fear of being shot by police officers, and police officers don't wake up everyday with the fear of some misinformed jackass shooting up a mall to kill as many policemen as he can before he goes out.

As a matter of fact, several of BLM's gripes are about as much of a non-issue as British sects of BLM (Yes, they actually exist in GB). At least in terms of racism.

Hillary and Trump are a great example of why this confusing mess of a political system is fucked up in this country.

We have a broken penal system designed to punish you rather than rehabilitate you, etc.

Racism exists in extremely localized populations, but you'd swear from what you hear on the internet that we still have white people openly bemoaning about how "dem niggers ruinin Merica", and that we still have blacks sweeping the floors in highly esteemed estanlishments, or sitting in the back of busses, etc.

Our biggest problems are the uninformed and the misinformed. I do my best to learn what I can, when I can, but I'm, at 21, extremely tardy to the party. I wasn't taught shit in school, and you can't learn anything from the internet because everyone's trying to push their petty worldviews (mah racism, mah gender, mah wage gap) upon everyone. I also used to think that the country was fucked up, too. But it's not. There are way, way worse places you could be born into. There are just sgeveral things that need to be done to make America better. Least of which is vote Trump.


Setting Trump aside, how would you make the greatest nation in the world even better?
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