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Posted 9/23/16 , edited 9/23/16
This may sound sarcastic, but I really do wish the best for everyone
Posted 9/23/16
Not if I can help it.
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Posted 9/23/16

It depends on my emotional state. I go through phases of anger, but I generally don't wish others harm after calming down, unless they've done something absolutely despicable.
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Posted 9/24/16 , edited 9/24/16

1096bimu wrote:

Here's the deal, us otakus (honestly I'm getting retired from being one but I used to be), people who watch a lot of anime and don't have much relationships with real people. Nothing against this, but here's a thought. We'd like to think we are kind people, nice guys etc, but are we really?

I will use Re:Zero as an example I think one of the reasons it's been quite successful is because the protagonist is relatable, we'd like to think that's how we will behave in his situation. We think we will be nice to the girl everyone else discriminates against because we believe in equality. Maybe many of you will think that you can also be as brave, persistent and assertive as he is, and you think you have those virtues and simply haven't had the chance to present them.

Maybe you are right in all those things, I'm not here to debate that. The only thing I will say about it is that most people think they are above average. However, the truth of our self-evaluations aside, I think there is a bigger question.

Aren't we secretly hoping that there is a drop-dead gorgeous girl who's perfect in every way, but nobody wants her so she has no choice but to fall for me? Now that's very different from not being able to live up to the degree of moral integrity you think you have. If this was true it would show that

first, we want someone to suffer extreme discrimination,
and secondly, we don't really want to compete for what we want, we are hoping that it will just be handed to us in a silver platter.

Now of course you can debate about how Emilia wasn't just low hanging fruit because the protagonist had to go through hell to get it. Well yea that's part of the reason I actually end up liking this show. But still, It is relatively easy to see your reward right in front of your eyes. It is relatively easy to only have to work hard for a few hours, or days at most to get the perfect girl for life, rather than years and decades. It is relatively easy to have the threat of death motivating your rather than just your own weak mentality.

Imagine this, what if Emilia is not a royalty, what if she's a peasant, fat, ugly, lazy, self-centered, unorganized and unintelligent girl who's also a victim of discrimination? Would any of us still give a flying fuck? You don't need to fall in love with her, you just need to stand up for her equal treatment, would you? I'm not so sure if I would. And what if the protagonist resets not 3 days but 30 years? And he doesn't save Emilia through physical battles in a few days but through doing well in school and at work, all day, every day, for 30 years? No it won't make a good show, but the question is are you willing to go through that for being nice and just? Or maybe you are just willing to go through the short and easy stuff for the perfect rack?

I'm not trying to bash the show, or people who like it. I thought it was pretty decent, and I really liked the message of how the protagonist guy was actually being selfish in the second act and stuff. I just thought it would be better to be clear about why you like a certain character or show, the real reason behind it, even if it's not the most desirable.


What's with the "we"? Speak for yourself! I can't stomach Re:Zero so I never watched more than the first two episodes. I can't relate to this protagonist at all. I don't know the "nice guy" entitlement life. I've matured since babyhood so I know the world does not revolve around me. It's tempting to want things easy but I really do enjoy putting some effort deciding what I want and how I'm going to achieve that. I will have successes and failures. I certainly don't care for falling for a girl no matter what she may look like. I certainly don't care to notice anyone's bust size at all. I just like to be respectful of others as I expect the same from them. It's great to find a new friend or two sometimes. Even if I were to think of just guys. If they haven't got a nice personality then I don't want to know. All looks and no substance is useless. One type of person I don't want in my life is a "nice guy" or a "kind" person.

Oh and I have had odd pessimistic phase but it is never focused on a person so no I don't go around wishing anyone harm. I'm not wasting my energy on that.
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Posted 9/24/16
I wish the worst for anyone I consider to be a degenerate and it is pretty obvious.
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Posted 9/24/16
i think thats part of human nature. pretty much everyone would like to get ahead of everyone else and everyone for the most part would like a attractive partner.its sort of a instinct to form opinions partly based on looks some of its cultural but a lot of its is genetically hardwired. now im sure most of people wouldn't be OK with people unjustly discriminating against someone but i will admit i probably wouldn't be bothered if i saw someone like you described since well can't be any less attractive then you described bad looks bad personality now if didn't know the person that much might be willing try and help. but if got to know the person wouldn't bother.also I've definitely wanted misfortune to fall on others mainly a people who have put me through a bad time insane teacher, medical staff who just made things worse etc.
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Posted 9/24/16 , edited 9/24/16

1096bimu wrote:
Aren't we secretly hoping that there is a drop-dead gorgeous girl who's perfect in every way, but nobody wants her so she has no choice but to fall for me? Now that's very different from not being able to live up to the degree of moral integrity you think you have. If this was true it would show that

first, we want someone to suffer extreme discrimination,
and secondly, we don't really want to compete for what we want, we are hoping that it will just be handed to us in a silver platter.


That's a really sad way of looking at a relationship. I'd much rather any person I happen to get into a relationship be happy. Or for couples around me to be happy. Far easier to be around happy people. Bringing someone out of a low place can be gratifying, but I wouldn't wish that low place on someone just so I could bring them out of it.

Of course I'm also the kind of person that isn't interested in competing for affection, so meh.

*Personally I enjoyed RE:Zero for Subaru's growth beyond selfishly wanting to play the hero. He finally distinguished between making himself happy and making Emilia happy, and prioritized her in the end. I empathize more with his growth than I do the ugliness he displayed to get to that point.
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Posted 9/24/16

1096bimu wrote:
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Aren't we secretly hoping that there is a drop-dead gorgeous girl who's perfect in every way, but nobody wants her so she has no choice but to fall for me? Now that's very different from not being able to live up to the degree of moral integrity you think you have. If this was true it would show that

first, we want someone to suffer extreme discrimination,
and secondly, we don't really want to compete for what we want, we are hoping that it will just be handed to us in a silver platter.
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We all want things as easy as possible and we all want as little struggle as possible. It's human nature. It's probably a genetic thing to do with conversing energy so you don't starve to death on the plains in the stone age.

I'd doubt there are a significant amount people who simply WANT others to suffer as their default state. People will certainly have reasons, but someone who simply wanted other to suffer 'just because' is going to be a rare, it sounds like a cartoon villain just writing it down here.

And as for the perfect, beautiful girl - Maybe when I was 14, yeah. Now though I'd rather have a perfect, beautiful woman who simply wasn't in a relationship when I met her. I'd prefer a woman with some experience of relationships. I'm too old to date teenagers now.
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Posted 9/24/16
Considering civil rights advocacy is a thing that happens and takes a great deal of work and sacrifice over the span of decades to get to bear fruit, and further considering people seem to be head over heels not for Emilia but Rem, whatchu talkin' 'bout, OP?
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Posted 9/24/16
I just realized this is how many people on this site actually think

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Posted 9/24/16
No that's a terrible thing to do plus if you do this it will bite you back hard
Posted 9/24/16

stars201 wrote:

This may sound sarcastic, but I really do wish the best for everyone


So do i
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Posted 9/24/16 , edited 9/24/16
Personally, no
Posted 9/24/16
No, and to me it's a strange sort of mentality to be so petty so as to be jealous at everything all the time.
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Posted 9/24/16
I wish for whatever circumstances are necessary, good or bad, to make the person change their character for the better. But.. some people are too far gone, so in extreme cases perhaps it only matters that they are punished. Punishment, though, is the intentional application of pain and pain only comes from some semblance of loss. How does one punish someone who has nothing to lose?
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