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Posted 9/25/16
So as many have heard, the new "upgraded" Playstation 4 Pro releases November 10th.

I was ready to jump right in (as my console of choice has traditionally been the Playstation

Here are some bottom-of-page details from Amazon's Listing:

PS4 Pro plays all PS4 format games. You can check PlayStation Store for games that take advantage of PS4 Pro specific features, or look for the ‘PS4™ Pro Enhanced’ icon on software packaging. Features vary from title to title. Select features depend on the type of display connected to PS4 Pro. Vertical stand sold separately.

*Look for the ‘PS4 Pro Enhanced’ icon on software packaging. ‘PS4 Pro Enhanced’ features vary by game. Select titles may have enhanced visuals, frame rate, HDR 10 support, or increases in resolution.

**PS Plus membership sold separately.

***Compatible 4K display required as well as subscription to 4K-compatible content streaming service. PS4 Pro does not support 4K Blu-ray Discs. PS4 Pro provides auto-upscaling for standard Blu-ray Discs.


So it plays the new PS4 "Enhanced" 4k resolution games... but apparently, through some kind of... corporate insanity ...or something, Sony decided the Blu-ray player will not support Ultra High Definition (UHD) 4k resolution Disks?

Well this slammed the brakes on my reservation of a new console... WTH... over

Now what? ...wait for the "next upgrade" that does support the new UHD movie disk format? ... are they just trying to save a reason for us all to upgrade to the "PS5" (or whatever) in 3 years?

What to do.. what to do...

This is part of what theverge.com article reported about the new console:

Sony has officially unveiled the next big iteration of the PlayStation 4. The console — codenamed Neo, which the company discussed in brief just ahead of E3 in June — upgrades the three-year-old PS4 hardware with a faster processor, better graphics, and support for 4K resolution. It launches November 10th, and it will cost $399. It’s intended to be sold alongside the base PS4 instead of replacing it, and new games will still be playable on the older hardware. The existence of Pro, formerly called Neo, was first reported on back in March.

The PS4 Pro can output 4K and HDR video, which is powered by an upgraded GPU. Sony also boosted the clock rate for the new PS4 Pro. It will also come with a 1TB hard drive. "PS4 Pro is not intended to blur the line between console generations," Mark Cerny, the chief architect for the PS4, said on stage. "Instead, the vision is to take the PS4 experience to extraordinary new levels."
Posted 9/25/16
I was going to purchase one until I saw that. I'll be sticking with my Xbox and purchasing a One S.
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PS4 Pro is about as powerful as a competent budget gaming PC

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/we-built-a-pc-using-ps4-pro-specs-how-does-it-perf/1100-6443491/

apparently, PS4Pro will be able to handle native 4k for older games, but more demanding games will need it to be upscaled.
just don't expect it to be as powerful as a desktop running a gtx 1070
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Posted 9/25/16

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So it plays the new PS4 "Enhanced" 4k resolution games... but apparently, through some kind of... corporate insanity ...or something, Sony decided the Blu-ray player will not support Ultra High Definition (UHD) 4k resolution Disks?

Well this slammed the brakes on my reservation of a new console... WTH... over



Only reason they did it this way was to save cost. You'd most likely be staring at a 600 dollar price tag if they included the UHD player. Well, somewhere around there anyway.
Posted 9/25/16
The Xbox One S offers more than the PS4 Pro which is actually surprising, the PS4 pro is a bit more powerful but based of the PlayStation Meeting that I saw it didn't really do much the PS4 Vanillas will have a fake HDR update, PS4 Pro will have fake 4K with its checkerboard upscaling, PS4 Pro it will have real HDR10 support, The same hardware only double the performance or some were in that area.

Also when I saw the gameplay footage of Horizon Zero Dawn and Mass Effect they did not impress at all Mass Effect if you look closely it had jagged edges which they tried to hide with the dark tone of the games world, with Horizon I noticed some lag and very weak draw distances.

If you want it that's fine but the reality is this is NOT a 4K machine its too underpowered its a True HD console at best its better to program games on this thing with 1080p or 1440p the power and the flops on this thing especially with that Jaguar processor....... no don't expect much out of it and its a matter of will developers return to there previous games alter the game and increase the resolution and redraw higher textures etc.
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Posted 9/27/16
Still not happy with this whole situation. Are Sony going to pull this crap with PS5? If so, why should I care to buy one early, like I and many more did with PS4?
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Randompyrate wrote:

Still not happy with this whole situation. Are Sony going to pull this crap with PS5? If so, why should I care to buy one early, like I and many more did with PS4?


Consoles manufacturers are trying to get gamers to adopt a smartphone-like upgrade cycle where users tend to change their device every 2-3 years, so I wouldn't be surprised if they try to pull the same thing during the next generation.

Posted 9/28/16 , edited 9/28/16

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PS4 Pro is about as powerful as a competent budget gaming PC

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/we-built-a-pc-using-ps4-pro-specs-how-does-it-perf/1100-6443491/

apparently, PS4Pro will be able to handle native 4k for older games, but more demanding games will need it to be upscaled.
just don't expect it to be as powerful as a desktop running a gtx 1070



Oh don't worry it won't be any where near a 1070, technically it's not even as powerful as a GTX-980. Native 4K is going to be a sh*t show.

And HDR only works with compatible displays and the lastest HDMI protocol (2.0).
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Posted 9/28/16
Disclaimer: I havent owned a console since the ps3, and I never used it

Isn't Microsoft coming out with a completely new console called "Scorpio" or something next year? Or is that just an upgraded Xbox One? The whole idea of this PS4 Pro bothers me, since I'm sure a completely new console is already in the works. Especially if that new xbox is a new platform.

It's kind of a shame since I feel like consoles would be the way to go with 4k gaming, but I doubt their ability to keep a constant 60fps at true 4k. I know my pc could handle 4k but after having seen 4k on a 24" or 27" monitor I wasn't all that impressed. Now on a 60" tv that would be a different story.
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Posted 9/29/16

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Randompyrate wrote:

Still not happy with this whole situation. Are Sony going to pull this crap with PS5? If so, why should I care to buy one early, like I and many more did with PS4?


Consoles manufacturers are trying to get gamers to adopt a smartphone-like upgrade cycle where users tend to change their device every 2-3 years, so I wouldn't be surprised if they try to pull the same thing during the next generation.



That's where they're making a mistake, imho. Consoles ARE NOT SMARTPHONES.
They're nothing like them, or PC's- despite the way they've been adopting more PC-like traits since last gen (game installs, downloadable patches etc.) Consoles will never have the performance of funcionality of PC, (like being able to directly access and mod your files) so trying to sell them as such is just......... URGH. I genuinley hope both the Pro and the Scorpio are failures so both Sony and MS will see how shitty this is.
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From everything I've read, the PS4 Pro is an attempt to bridge the gap for the PC Gamer audience. Much like there are varying levels of PC Power ranging from being able to run a game at Max Settings down to looks like a potato but still plays, this allows people who want the extra horsepower to get better looking graphics.

Seeing as it's still at $399 for the system, I very much doubt Sony is making much in the way of profit from the system itself. I'm personally going to upgrade to a PS4 Pro. My reasons are as follows:

1. Final Fantasy XV is going to support the PS4 Pro from day 1 and this is a game I've been anticipating for a very, very long time. I want to be able to enjoy it in the absolute best quality possible.

2. I have a 4K HDTV that can benefit. I live on YouTube and having 4K YouTube support for the channels that pump out 4k quality videos is epic.

3. I have no interest in rebuilding my current Blu-ray collection with 4K Blu-ray. I've been slowly converting over to streaming most things as internet improves and if Sony, one of the primary companies behind Blu-ray isn't adding this support, to me it suggests that the market for these 4K Blu-ray discs is going to be short lived like the HD-DVD.

At the end of the day, the PS4 Pro is much like upgrading the video card in your PC from a lesser model. It's still playing the same games, just with improved quality. Sony already stated that there will not be any games sold exclusively for the PS4 Pro, so it's totally up to the user if the added fidelity is worth it. The games are going to be the same either way, they'll just look prettier on the PS4 Pro.
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HeroicTofu wrote:

From everything I've read, the PS4 Pro is an attempt to bridge the gap for the PC Gamer audience. Much like there are varying levels of PC Power ranging from being able to run a game at Max Settings down to looks like a potato but still plays, this allows people who want the extra horsepower to get better looking graphics.

Seeing as it's still at $399 for the system, I very much doubt Sony is making much in the way of profit from the system itself. I'm personally going to upgrade to a PS4 Pro. My reasons are as follows:

1. Final Fantasy XV is going to support the PS4 Pro from day 1 and this is a game I've been anticipating for a very, very long time. I want to be able to enjoy it in the absolute best quality possible.

2. I have a 4K HDTV that can benefit. I live on YouTube and having 4K YouTube support for the channels that pump out 4k quality videos is epic.

3. I have no interest in rebuilding my current Blu-ray collection with 4K Blu-ray. I've been slowly converting over to streaming most things as internet improves and if Sony, one of the primary companies behind Blu-ray isn't adding this support, to me it suggests that the market for these 4K Blu-ray discs is going to be short lived like the HD-DVD.

At the end of the day, the PS4 Pro is much like upgrading the video card in your PC from a lesser model. It's still playing the same games, just with improved quality. Sony already stated that there will not be any games sold exclusively for the PS4 Pro, so it's totally up to the user if the added fidelity is worth it. The games are going to be the same either way, they'll just look prettier on the PS4 Pro.


I actually like that comparison to upgrading a video card on PC. While there are multiple system upgrades, the changes are more inline with what I got with a Video Card upgrade.

I, for one, think I will hold off for a while. The last thing I would want to hear is something like...: "Pro system players have seen a slight advantage in FPS games... so we [Sony] decided to purposely increase the Pro system players latency ...to keep an even playing field"
... nothing would piss me off more than for that to happen after I already invested in the system.
Posted 10/1/16 , edited 10/2/16

Ecchi-Go wrote:


HeroicTofu wrote:

From everything I've read, the PS4 Pro is an attempt to bridge the gap for the PC Gamer audience. Much like there are varying levels of PC Power ranging from being able to run a game at Max Settings down to looks like a potato but still plays, this allows people who want the extra horsepower to get better looking graphics.

Seeing as it's still at $399 for the system, I very much doubt Sony is making much in the way of profit from the system itself. I'm personally going to upgrade to a PS4 Pro. My reasons are as follows:

1. Final Fantasy XV is going to support the PS4 Pro from day 1 and this is a game I've been anticipating for a very, very long time. I want to be able to enjoy it in the absolute best quality possible.

2. I have a 4K HDTV that can benefit. I live on YouTube and having 4K YouTube support for the channels that pump out 4k quality videos is epic.

3. I have no interest in rebuilding my current Blu-ray collection with 4K Blu-ray. I've been slowly converting over to streaming most things as internet improves and if Sony, one of the primary companies behind Blu-ray isn't adding this support, to me it suggests that the market for these 4K Blu-ray discs is going to be short lived like the HD-DVD.

At the end of the day, the PS4 Pro is much like upgrading the video card in your PC from a lesser model. It's still playing the same games, just with improved quality. Sony already stated that there will not be any games sold exclusively for the PS4 Pro, so it's totally up to the user if the added fidelity is worth it. The games are going to be the same either way, they'll just look prettier on the PS4 Pro.


I actually like that comparison to upgrading a video card on PC. While there are multiple system upgrades, the changes are more inline with what I got with a Video Card upgrade.

I, for one, think I will hold off for a while. The last thing I would want to hear is something like...: "Pro system players have seen a slight advantage in FPS games... so we [Sony] decided to purposely increase the Pro system players latency ...to keep an even playing field"
... nothing would piss me off more than for that to happen after I already invested in the system.


They probably will just lock the frame rate for multiplayer games.

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Disclaimer: I havent owned a console since the ps3, and I never used it

Isn't Microsoft coming out with a completely new console called "Scorpio" or something next year? Or is that just an upgraded Xbox One? The whole idea of this PS4 Pro bothers me, since I'm sure a completely new console is already in the works. Especially if that new xbox is a new platform.

It's kind of a shame since I feel like consoles would be the way to go with 4k gaming, but I doubt their ability to keep a constant 60fps at true 4k. I know my pc could handle 4k but after having seen 4k on a 24" or 27" monitor I wasn't all that impressed. Now on a 60" tv that would be a different story.


Yah, I play on a 55" TV. It took some research to find some that actually listed the refresh rates on the spec sheet...and of those, only a handful had refresh rates bellow 10ms.

It doesn't do any good to have a blazing fast game system ...only to get my arse handed to me because the TV has so much latency painting the screen that I would always be slower than the competitors. So, I invested in a good HDTV to help keep my FPS games competitive.
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Ah screw the ps4 pro. I just bought myself a used uncharted edition ps4. Since the pro is coming out stores have price drops on the originals now. Needed to get me one for some jrpgs.
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