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Hillary a lier but I don't get why trump supporters are saying he won, from the looks of it he was struggling last night (not a hillary supporter im actually a trump supporter)


Look at the OP. He struggled because they barraged him with way more questions while Hilary got extra time to think and stay composed.


True. But I didn't like the way he held back, I wanted to punch the TV when the audience was laughing with Hillary at his temper.
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that moment when Hillary accused Trump of supporting the war on Iraq, when Hillary herself motioned in favor of the war as secretary of state. of course, in the biased debate no-one bothered to bring that into consideration, much like no-one bothered to question Hillary in regard to her donors. i don't even support Trump, but this is just ridiculous...
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Ocale wrote:

People who go to college want the candidate that wants to make college "affordable". Hmmm.

And if you think going to school and learning more mathematics or nursing and whatnot somehow gives you more common sense and general intellectual power, please explain to me why you think this.


Most college graduates had to go through at least basic economic theory and political science. It's not about more basic common sense, it's being better informed about the impact of policy. And more practice in critical thinking when it comes to policy.

Sure, someone without a college degree can be better informed than someone with one. But even slackers in college were usually forced to put thought into policy debate, rather than jumping on gut instinct.



Ocale wrote:


Savagely69 wrote:

Hillary a lier but I don't get why trump supporters are saying he won, from the looks of it he was struggling last night (not a hillary supporter im actually a trump supporter)


Look at the OP. He struggled because they barraged him with way more questions while Hilary got extra time to think and stay composed.


Actually read the graphic in the OP. The conclusion by whoever created it is grossly misrepresents what counts as a single question and which questions were aimed at both candidates.
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qwueri wrote:

Most college graduates had to go through at least basic economic theory and political science. It's not about more basic common sense, it's being better informed about the impact of policy. And more practice in critical thinking when it comes to policy.

Sure, someone without a college degree can be better informed than someone with one. But even slackers in college were usually forced to put thought into policy debate, rather than jumping on gut instinct.


I thought economics was compulsory in high school as well(At least over here). In the end, as you mentioned, being in a certain demographic does not make you any less informed by necessity.
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It's interesting CNN's telephone poll is the inverse of alot of online polls. Would be interesting to know what factors are at play in that. (Reporting bias, selection bias, online block voting, gaming polling with votes, etc).


From what I've seen, 4chan and Reddit both tried to skew the results of online polls towards Trump.

As for the CNN poll, the overall survey group was left leaning, but its worth noting that Clinton got 54% of the "votes" from independents in the survey.
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Posted 9/27/16

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qwueri wrote:

Most college graduates had to go through at least basic economic theory and political science. It's not about more basic common sense, it's being better informed about the impact of policy. And more practice in critical thinking when it comes to policy.

Sure, someone without a college degree can be better informed than someone with one. But even slackers in college were usually forced to put thought into policy debate, rather than jumping on gut instinct.


I thought economics was compulsory in high school as well(At least over here). In the end, as you mentioned, being in a certain demographic does not make you any less informed by necessity.


It is, but it not look it turns regular people into politically active people, much less informed.
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Posted 9/27/16

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The interesting part on the polls is that Trump has a distinct advantage in getting support from voters without a college education while Hilary polls better with college or higher educated voters.


People who go to college want the candidate that wants to make college "affordable". Hmmm.

And if you think going to school and learning more mathematics or nursing and whatnot somehow gives you more common sense and general intellectual power, please explain to me why you think this.


Well....yeah. You could cite a number of dumb people who went to Ivy League, but just as people in college are generally liberal, they also generally have some higher proficiency in particular academic thought. Or well, should.
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I'd also like to say something about the "questions" each were asked, as per the OP. A good deal of the questions were fact checks and course corrections:
-Trump 4 - Fact checking
-Trump 5 - Course correction
-Trump 6 - Fact checkingl (PS: Not sure what your source saw, but from what I can tell, this is true: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-presidential-debate-fact-check/2016/09/trump-is-wrong-stop-and-frisk-was-ruled-unconstitutional-228729)
-Trump 7 - Course correction
-Trump 9 - Course correction
-Trump 13 - Fact checking and course correction
-Trump 15 - Course correction

Also worth noting that several of the questions were presented towards both candidates, while the author of that posts acts like they were only targeted towards Trump. Some of them the author acted like weren't questions asked to Hillary (saying "Secretary Clinton" is the same thing as saying "Secretary Clinton, its your turn to answer my question") and others he just ignored the fact that Hillary answered the question (for example, both candidates actually answered Trump 3). That "analysis" is a mess.
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I'd also like to say something about the "questions" each were asked, as per the OP. A good deal of the questions were fact checks and course corrections:
-Trump 4 - Fact checking
-Trump 5 - Course correction
-Trump 6 - Fact checkingl (PS: Not sure what your source saw, but from what I can tell, this is true: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-presidential-debate-fact-check/2016/09/trump-is-wrong-stop-and-frisk-was-ruled-unconstitutional-228729)
-Trump 7 - Course correction
-Trump 9 - Course correction
-Trump 13 - Fact checking and course correction
-Trump 15 - Course correction

Also worth noting that several of the questions were presented towards both candidates, while the author of that posts acts like they were only targeted towards Trump. Some of them the author acted like weren't questions asked to Hillary (saying "Secretary Clinton" is the same thing as saying "Secretary Clinton, its your turn to answer my question") and others he just ignored the fact that Hillary answered the question (for example, both candidates actually answered Trump 3). That "analysis" is a mess.


I noticed that too. I just didn't bother to correct it as the effort wasn't worth the rewards. You did save me some time though.

You are also right, 4Chan and Reddit are fucking with the results. What do you think they would do? They are the ones who got singers to perform at a school of deaf and the explosion of Boaty McBoatface. I really don't pay attention to the polls, as they are grossly inaccurate. I am going to stick to the polls done by professionals.

The winner is clear in those.

As a side note, that debate was funny as hell. Trumps face at the 20 minute mark really did look like Pepe. A very angry Pepe, but a Pepe none the less. THE MEMES ARE TRUE!
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From what I've seen, 4chan and Reddit both tried to skew the results of online polls towards Trump.


They've been doing that since the onset. If its an online poll its gonna get raided.

Even 4chan looks to be souring on him though. Soon as he made the 400lb hacker comment in the debate my first thought was "Well, thats gonna play well on 4chan". >.>



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I'd also like to say something about the "questions" each were asked, as per the OP. A good deal of the questions were fact checks and course corrections:


There were times when I legitimately didn't know what the fark he was on about. I've seen candidates dodge questions before but not like that.
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that moment when Hillary accused Trump of supporting the war on Iraq, when Hillary herself motioned in favor of the war as secretary of state. of course, in the biased debate no-one bothered to bring that into consideration, much like no-one bothered to question Hillary in regard to her donors. i don't even support Trump, but this is just ridiculous...


never mind the fact he's denying saying things when there's video footage of him saying it. He denied saying he was smart to not pay taxes less that an hour after saying it. does he not know how video cameras work?

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namealreadytaken wrote:

that moment when Hillary accused Trump of supporting the war on Iraq, when Hillary herself motioned in favor of the war as secretary of state. of course, in the biased debate no-one bothered to bring that into consideration, much like no-one bothered to question Hillary in regard to her donors. i don't even support Trump, but this is just ridiculous...


I think the point in questioning Trump on his support of the war was catching him in a lie. He never openly stated he was against the war, and was on a few sources saying he wasn't against it. However, he now claims he was completely and openly against it. Hillary doesn't deny that she supported the war, so her stance on it wasn't the issue.
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Why do we need a "Results" thread along with the other 1st debate thread?
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The first thread was about how great their costumes were. This thread is about how Clinton was crushed into thready paste by Donald's manlike speaking.
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that moment when Hillary accused Trump of supporting the war on Iraq, when Hillary herself motioned in favor of the war as secretary of state. of course, in the biased debate no-one bothered to bring that into consideration, much like no-one bothered to question Hillary in regard to her donors. i don't even support Trump, but this is just ridiculous...


Do you actually have any proof of what you said? I had seen a fake Hillary account on Twitter (which can no longer by viewed from my account) and I constantly encounter numerous hacked left-wing accounts on Facebook and Google so I would not be surprised when your source are actually from the Republican; If you hate immigrants that you should now be honest and show that U.S. people are willing to use dirty tricks.
Now that an extremist like Trump is going to take over U.S. using dirty methods, I advise all potential American immigrants to postpone immigration to America; their are better countries like China, with its growing economy, and Japan, where anime and manga are sold. Potential immigrants can also go to Eastern Europe to get prized wife; Trump became leader of Republican and he have a wife from Eastern European Communist family so an Eastern European women must make good wife. Contrary to the American press, not all immigrants in U.S. are happy; those immigrants who want to voice regret with immigration will get censored. U.S. is actually a country with high discrimination and high poverty rate. The business elite allow immigrants into U.S. so they can be enslaved for having no legal protection. Global Capitalism give biased positive treatment to U.S. for its many rich customers but the coming instability will put the country into recession.
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