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That's weird. I thought Hillary took him to task.
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What? Have you even been out of the country? We are still the riches most powerful country in the world and the most generous! Everyone wants to come here. You want to talk about poverty have you been to the Middle East (Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Yemen)? Have you been to India? Have you been to China? Have you been to Eastern Europe? How about Mexico? Haiti? Pakistan? How about sub-Saharan Africa or the Sahel? I tell you our poverty level compared to the rest of the world's standard of living is non existent. I'm Eastern European my family moved here to get away from the killings in the former Yugoslavia. I went to college....I have no complaints about this country. Try living in war zone where you are killed because your not ethnically correct all your family, friends, and neighbors are shot in the head and are put in mass graves (ethnic cleansing). So what! We got two sub standard candidates running - we will survive. The country has had bad presidents before - we survived to be the greatest country in history. Why don't you get out of your basement and go see the world! USAID is great organization to get involved in! I think we are privileged to live here and instead of complaining we should be seeking ways to repay what we were lucky to get (that is called service)! If you don't like what the government is doing get involved and change it!
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sinoakayumi wrote:


namealreadytaken wrote:

that moment when Hillary accused Trump of supporting the war on Iraq, when Hillary herself motioned in favor of the war as secretary of state. of course, in the biased debate no-one bothered to bring that into consideration, much like no-one bothered to question Hillary in regard to her donors. i don't even support Trump, but this is just ridiculous...


Do you actually have any proof of what you said? I had seen a fake Hillary account on Twitter (which can no longer by viewed from my account) and I constantly encounter numerous hacked left-wing accounts on Facebook and Google so I would not be surprised when your source are actually from the Republican; If you hate immigrants that you should now be honest and show that U.S. people are willing to use dirty tricks.


Hillary accused Trump of supporting the war on Iraq.
Proof (recording of the debate from yesterday, courtesy of nbc news)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=855Am6ovK7s
skip to 1:36:45

Hlllary was in favor of the war on Iraq when she was secretary of state
Proof (video recording of Hillary speech on her vote in favor of invasion of Iraq)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkS9y5t0tR0

China -> ever heard of the Great Wall of China?
Japan -> lol ok
Trump is a rebel from the Republican party. Republicans hate him, yet somehow he still managed to be the top republican candidate. don't ask me why.

i'm not sure what the other points have any relevance here.


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Cool so you still don't understand the point was to catch Donald lying, not whether or not Hillary supported the war at the time.

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i'm still deciding which is the better candidate:
past hillary or present hillary. i'm leaning towards neither...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eulMm9LVg00
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Posted 9/27/16

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The interesting part on the polls is that Trump has a distinct advantage in getting support from voters without a college education while Hilary polls better with college or higher educated voters.


Funny cause everyone I know that has gone to college is voting Trump, or not voting, while many of those without are voting Hillary.


Are you sure you don't hang around people who consistently vote conservative? I don't think it means anything in the long run. A lot of conservative went to Ivy Leagues.


I used to hang around a bunch of Democrats till we all changed to independents and conservatives after we started paying attention to politics a little.
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Posted 9/27/16 , edited 9/27/16

Rujikin wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


bensonc120 wrote:

The interesting part on the polls is that Trump has a distinct advantage in getting support from voters without a college education while Hilary polls better with college or higher educated voters.


Funny cause everyone I know that has gone to college is voting Trump, or not voting, while many of those without are voting Hillary.


Are you sure you don't hang around people who consistently vote conservative? I don't think it means anything in the long run. A lot of conservative went to Ivy Leagues.


I used to hang around a bunch of Democrats till we all changed to independents and conservatives after we started paying attention to politics a little.


So basically yes? College changed a lot these days. Especially lower tier colleges that aren't renowned as Ivy League or something like UVA.
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The Republican voters want one thing and the party gives them another. This year they had a wolf instead of a sheep in wolf's clothing.



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Cool so you still don't understand the point was to catch Donald lying, not whether or not Hillary supported the war at the time.



Trump didn't really seem to care about the war, he was focused on the economy and wanted Bush to either attack or don't and stop being wishy washy.

"Well, he has either got to do something or not do something, perhaps, because perhaps shouldn't be doing it yet and perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations, you know," Trump said. "He's under a lot of pressure. I think he's doing a very good job. But, of course, if you look at the polls, a lot of people are getting a little tired. I think the Iraqi situation is a problem. And I think the economy is a much bigger problem as far as the president is concerned."
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


bensonc120 wrote:

The interesting part on the polls is that Trump has a distinct advantage in getting support from voters without a college education while Hilary polls better with college or higher educated voters.


Funny cause everyone I know that has gone to college is voting Trump, or not voting, while many of those without are voting Hillary.


Are you sure you don't hang around people who consistently vote conservative? I don't think it means anything in the long run. A lot of conservative went to Ivy Leagues.


I used to hang around a bunch of Democrats till we all changed to independents and conservatives after we started paying attention to politics a little.


So basically yes? College changed a lot these days. Especially lower tier colleges that aren't renowned as Ivy League or something like UVA.


Were mostly Trump supporters besides the few Bernie supporters.
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Posted 9/27/16

Rujikin wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


bensonc120 wrote:

The interesting part on the polls is that Trump has a distinct advantage in getting support from voters without a college education while Hilary polls better with college or higher educated voters.


Funny cause everyone I know that has gone to college is voting Trump, or not voting, while many of those without are voting Hillary.


Are you sure you don't hang around people who consistently vote conservative? I don't think it means anything in the long run. A lot of conservative went to Ivy Leagues.


I used to hang around a bunch of Democrats till we all changed to independents and conservatives after we started paying attention to politics a little.


So basically yes? College changed a lot these days. Especially lower tier colleges that aren't renowned as Ivy League or something like UVA.


Were mostly Trump supporters besides the few Bernie supporters.


I highly doubt that. College kids are notorious magnets for left ideals. Maybe at Falwell's Liberty, maybe among former college grads, but now? So many people will vote Hillary to spite Trump.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


bensonc120 wrote:

The interesting part on the polls is that Trump has a distinct advantage in getting support from voters without a college education while Hilary polls better with college or higher educated voters.


Funny cause everyone I know that has gone to college is voting Trump, or not voting, while many of those without are voting Hillary.


Are you sure you don't hang around people who consistently vote conservative? I don't think it means anything in the long run. A lot of conservative went to Ivy Leagues.


I used to hang around a bunch of Democrats till we all changed to independents and conservatives after we started paying attention to politics a little.


So basically yes? College changed a lot these days. Especially lower tier colleges that aren't renowned as Ivy League or something like UVA.


Were mostly Trump supporters besides the few Bernie supporters.


I highly doubt that. College kids are notorious magnets for left ideals. Maybe at Falwell's Liberty, maybe among former college grads, but now? So many people will vote Hillary to spite Trump.


Doubt it all you want but it's true, the only Hillary supporter I know of is my dad and the only news he gets is on the radio while driving. I've never been polled in any election cycle about who I was going to vote for nor has 2 of my friends.

I know leftist ideals are magnets for players, the leftists tend to be more open to casual sex than the conservatives. A lot of times the people that are easy to get ahold of and ALL over social media are the liberals. The people who dislike/hate social media and don't want random people calling them tend to be more conservative so they aren't as noticeable but they are there.

I know quite a few Berned Trumpers are voting Trump to spite Hillary for "rigging" the democratic primary.
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What the hell do players and casual sex have to do with anything? You lost me. Also, I'm very liberal and not on a single social media site.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/22/donald-trump/trump-still-wrong-his-claim-opposed-iraq-war-ahead/

On the Howard stern interview: In the interview, which took place on Sept. 11, 2002, Stern asked Trump directly if he was for invading Iraq.
“Yeah, I guess so,” Trump responded. “I wish the first time it was done correctly.”
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Talking about Trump supporting the war on Iraq is not a comment about his support for the war, its calling him out for lying. I really don't care if he said he supported the war (which he did). What I care about is him constantly lying about it and thinking that Americans are too stupid to figure out its a lie.

The sad part is that he may be right.
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You can tell by this thread alone that people don't understand he is being called out on a lie. They still think it's Hillary lying about supporting the war or something. People are beyond me.
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Trump won the first half of the debate and Clinton won the second. He damaged her "experienced stateswoman" image by pointing to her carelessness with classified information, she damaged his "man of the people" image by getting him to admit he considers taking advantage of tax loopholes to avoid paying anything in "smart", hoping the housing market will implode so he can buy peoples' land for less than they paid for it "good business", and by noting that he has refused to pay for services that have already been rendered to him because he "was unsatisfied with the quality". She skewered him on law enforcement, which is important to his message. He skewered her on trade, which is important to her outreach effort. He got his strongest talking points out (good for keeping his narrative publicly visible and widely spread), and Clinton kept countering any falsehoods she could point out as such (good for pressing the attack and counteracting the aforementioned narrative). Both emerged pretty bloody, and the whole thing felt like a stalemate by the end online straw polls notwithstanding.

Which frankly is good for Trump, because all he really needed to do was hold Clinton off and not say anything stupid. Clinton really needed to grind Trump into a fine red mist during this debate, and she just didn't. She got in plenty of good stabs, don't get me wrong, but they weren't fatal ones. Maybe, maybe there's a silver lining and Clinton's effort to reach out to unenthusiastic younger voters here will be somewhat successful (polling in the coming weeks will tell), but I doubt it. So while Clinton's performance wasn't bad she also probably didn't get the kind of results she needed. The time between now and the next debate's going to be extremely important for her, and she really needs to chop him into little pieces next time.
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