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That really is a bigger problem with a somewhat easier solution: go out and collect it. If I recall correctly, the reason no one IS is because they don't want to pay for it and they want to argue about whose problem it actually is to clean it up.

Hell, there may be a crowdfunding source that would allow people to get a start on it.

There was: https://www.theoceancleanup.com/ https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/26/ocean-cleanup-project-environment-pollution-boyan-slat


One of the problems is that stuff has been there so long that the plastic molecules have broken up into particles so small you can't see them nor easily collect them anymore. That stuff is ruining ecosystems because their stomachs get filled full of plastic and thus always feel full then die of starvation.

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Subsequently , Worsley & Nance (1989) had pointed out that ≈ 150 ppm applied to plants with a type of metabolism known as C3 (the first stable product of photosynthesis is a three carbon molecule, whilst for plants with C4 metabolism the first stable product of photosynthesis is a four carbon molecule) can have very much lower CO2 compensation points. (Note that most forest trees use C3 metabolism)

So basically when CO2 falls below 150 ppm, the plants starve because they can't extract enough CO2 from the atmosphere to make sugars. The plants die and then the animals soon follow.
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octorockandroll wrote:


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There is 209 460 ppm of O2 compared with around 380 ppm of CO2, in 1850 there was 285.2 ppm of CO2. So we have risen a whole 100 PPM...

The thing that is stressing the world is the over population in Asia and Africa along with their lack of ANY environmental regulations.. The Americas and Europe are fine and self sufficient.


So much wrong with this post, but I'll only call out the obvious stuff for now because why bother?

We are not at 380 ppm CO2, we are at 400 and we are expected to go up to 410 alarmingly soon, perhaps even as early as november.

You pass off a 100 ppm CO2 increase over the course of less than 200 years as if it's small potatoes (at least I assume that was the point you were trying to frame) but in the old days it could have taken up to 1000 years for a 10 ppm CO2 increase. At this rate we're expected to hit the 1000 ppm CO2 level in 100 years if our emission rate keeps growing the way it has been. And while Asia has been a massive dick in terms of regulating its ass, there is just simoly no way that the responsibility for this can be pushed solely on one of our continents.


In the old days CO2 was released by volcanoes, fires, and global warming. If CO2 levels drop too low all plant life will die out



We have had much higher CO2 levels and life on Earth was FINE. Now I agree it would suck to live on a hotter world, I'd prefer colder weather personally, but it will not doom us. If you really want to stop CO2 emissions than you should be pushing for Nuclear power like crazy because it can power the world BY ITSELF right now, of course we have wind to supplement it now as well.

Actually I can push responsibility on Asia. Have you seen their environmental regulations? They dump toxic sludge straight into their rivers just so they can keep their prices below ours because we have to manage such toxic materials. They dump everything into their water and let it go out to the ocean and don't give a fuck if it is making the Pacific ocean toxic. They ARE the problem right now.


Okay putting aside the stupid notion that if the asians all stopped their shit then the earth would be okay crap, you know its because of us that they do that right? At least in part. They destroy the eco-system, treat their (often child) employees like shit and much more partially because other countries like ours go to them to get shit at obscenely cheaper prices. We are the demand that is feeding this disgusting supply. You really cant pin it all on asia.
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Rujikin wrote:

One of the problems is that stuff has been there so long that the plastic molecules have broken up into particles so small you can't see them nor easily collect them anymore. That stuff is ruining ecosystems because their stomachs get filled full of plastic and thus always feel full then die of starvation.

Unrelated but interesting



Subsequently , Worsley & Nance (1989) had pointed out that ≈ 150 ppm applied to plants with a type of metabolism known as C3 (the first stable product of photosynthesis is a three carbon molecule, whilst for plants with C4 metabolism the first stable product of photosynthesis is a four carbon molecule) can have very much lower CO2 compensation points. (Note that most forest trees use C3 metabolism)

So basically when CO2 falls below 150 ppm, the plants starve because they can't extract enough CO2 from the atmosphere to make sugars. The plants die and then the animals soon follow.


I think the important thing is to remove the degrading product, which will eventually stop killing the animals. Big stuff, then small stuff. Trying to fix the whole problem at once will just lead to everyone sitting on their hands, like they already are.
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Zzz, all of the want to be Geologists linking pseudo-science articles and graphs on CO_2_.

This goes for both sides. Get a BS in Geosciences before you talk about this stuff.

I have my BS and working on a masters. All of the shit you guys are posting are poorly done.

Give this research paper a read if you really want to know. It is a good start. Written by some prominent geologists at the time.
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What happens happens my guy. Not saying we shouldn't act responsible, but we were past the point of no return quite a while ago. While trying to reverse what effects we can right now, we should also focus on how we are to survive the inevitable. Plans range from interplanetary colonization to massive domed cities and even burrowing underground. Either humanity scratches it's way to survival or it goes out with an unsatisfactory fizzle; the earth will remain the third planet with or without our cooperation.
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Quit being such a negative nancy. The planet is fine. The animals are going to be what gets fucked over.
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octorockandroll wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:


Rujikin wrote:





There is 209 460 ppm of O2 compared with around 380 ppm of CO2, in 1850 there was 285.2 ppm of CO2. So we have risen a whole 100 PPM...

The thing that is stressing the world is the over population in Asia and Africa along with their lack of ANY environmental regulations.. The Americas and Europe are fine and self sufficient.


So much wrong with this post, but I'll only call out the obvious stuff for now because why bother?

We are not at 380 ppm CO2, we are at 400 and we are expected to go up to 410 alarmingly soon, perhaps even as early as november.

You pass off a 100 ppm CO2 increase over the course of less than 200 years as if it's small potatoes (at least I assume that was the point you were trying to frame) but in the old days it could have taken up to 1000 years for a 10 ppm CO2 increase. At this rate we're expected to hit the 1000 ppm CO2 level in 100 years if our emission rate keeps growing the way it has been. And while Asia has been a massive dick in terms of regulating its ass, there is just simoly no way that the responsibility for this can be pushed solely on one of our continents.


In the old days CO2 was released by volcanoes, fires, and global warming. If CO2 levels drop too low all plant life will die out



We have had much higher CO2 levels and life on Earth was FINE. Now I agree it would suck to live on a hotter world, I'd prefer colder weather personally, but it will not doom us. If you really want to stop CO2 emissions than you should be pushing for Nuclear power like crazy because it can power the world BY ITSELF right now, of course we have wind to supplement it now as well.

Actually I can push responsibility on Asia. Have you seen their environmental regulations? They dump toxic sludge straight into their rivers just so they can keep their prices below ours because we have to manage such toxic materials. They dump everything into their water and let it go out to the ocean and don't give a fuck if it is making the Pacific ocean toxic. They ARE the problem right now.


Okay putting aside the stupid notion that if the asians all stopped their shit then the earth would be okay crap, you know its because of us that they do that right? At least in part. They destroy the eco-system, treat their (often child) employees like shit and much more partially because other countries like ours go to them to get shit at obscenely cheaper prices. We are the demand that is feeding this disgusting supply. You really cant pin it all on asia.


They FLOOD our markets with that shit. I literally want to buy American, or ally, made electronics but I can't because most of it is built in fucking China and made horribly. I can blame them because many times I DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE I have a selection of 10 different items all made in China.

I just bought a new quality 2000 joule surge protector for $20. There were obvious Chinese built pieces then you had selections that were being sold from an American company, designed in America, then built in China.... None of them were made in the USA...

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-the-edge/2013/04/02/chinas-continuing-monopoly-over-rare-earth-minerals


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Rujikin wrote:

One of the problems is that stuff has been there so long that the plastic molecules have broken up into particles so small you can't see them nor easily collect them anymore. That stuff is ruining ecosystems because their stomachs get filled full of plastic and thus always feel full then die of starvation.

Unrelated but interesting



Subsequently , Worsley & Nance (1989) had pointed out that ≈ 150 ppm applied to plants with a type of metabolism known as C3 (the first stable product of photosynthesis is a three carbon molecule, whilst for plants with C4 metabolism the first stable product of photosynthesis is a four carbon molecule) can have very much lower CO2 compensation points. (Note that most forest trees use C3 metabolism)

So basically when CO2 falls below 150 ppm, the plants starve because they can't extract enough CO2 from the atmosphere to make sugars. The plants die and then the animals soon follow.


I think the important thing is to remove the degrading product, which will eventually stop killing the animals. Big stuff, then small stuff. Trying to fix the whole problem at once will just lead to everyone sitting on their hands, like they already are.


Removing the large items will indeed help the situation tremendously. Personally I think we should create some plankton/bacteria that feast on plastic to help evolution clean up our mess.
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Even so, you could still party like there's no tomorrow.
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Earth is fine. There are three times as many polar bears are there were in 1970, the increased carbon in the atmosphere has been a boon to plant life (a study by Dr. Freeman Dyson estimates that our farms are as mush as 20% more efficient because of this), and every model that has come out about anthropomorphic climate change has overestimated the real warming by at least 1000%.

Combine this with new energy technologies and some interesting ideas on turning atmospheric CO2 into relatively quickly degrading plastic will solve these problems.

Not saying there are not environmental problems like deforestation, loss of habitats, poaching, and an island of trash in the Pacific Ocean but on the list of worries Climate Change is way overblown.
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Removing the large items will indeed help the situation tremendously. Personally I think we should create some plankton/bacteria that feast on plastic to help evolution clean up our mess.


Problem is that bacteria would destroy civilization. Imagine how much plastic is in everything. Now introduce a bacteria that eats it. Suddenly everything falls apart.

On that note, such a bacteria has been discovered in Japan and they are keeping it under HEAVY guard because of that worry.
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Eh I didn't plan for a long life anyway I will just spend it playing games if this is the case
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I'm going to do this so I don't care
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Woo! Hurrah! Wowzah! Congratulations! Seriously! It's not like we will ever find some NEW TECHNOLOGY or other thing! That's not how humanity works! We've always been trapped at this current technology level forever! FOR EV ER.

Seriously. Stop this bad science. Stop this Chicken Little crap.


It was probably done to curb irresponsibility and force people to action, instead of relying what come 10 years too late. It is not wise to act on so called foreknowledge, that's one of the reasons we're in the mess in the first place.
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Rujikin wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:


Rujikin wrote:





There is 209 460 ppm of O2 compared with around 380 ppm of CO2, in 1850 there was 285.2 ppm of CO2. So we have risen a whole 100 PPM...

The thing that is stressing the world is the over population in Asia and Africa along with their lack of ANY environmental regulations.. The Americas and Europe are fine and self sufficient.


So much wrong with this post, but I'll only call out the obvious stuff for now because why bother?

We are not at 380 ppm CO2, we are at 400 and we are expected to go up to 410 alarmingly soon, perhaps even as early as november.

You pass off a 100 ppm CO2 increase over the course of less than 200 years as if it's small potatoes (at least I assume that was the point you were trying to frame) but in the old days it could have taken up to 1000 years for a 10 ppm CO2 increase. At this rate we're expected to hit the 1000 ppm CO2 level in 100 years if our emission rate keeps growing the way it has been. And while Asia has been a massive dick in terms of regulating its ass, there is just simoly no way that the responsibility for this can be pushed solely on one of our continents.


In the old days CO2 was released by volcanoes, fires, and global warming. If CO2 levels drop too low all plant life will die out



We have had much higher CO2 levels and life on Earth was FINE. Now I agree it would suck to live on a hotter world, I'd prefer colder weather personally, but it will not doom us. If you really want to stop CO2 emissions than you should be pushing for Nuclear power like crazy because it can power the world BY ITSELF right now, of course we have wind to supplement it now as well.

Actually I can push responsibility on Asia. Have you seen their environmental regulations? They dump toxic sludge straight into their rivers just so they can keep their prices below ours because we have to manage such toxic materials. They dump everything into their water and let it go out to the ocean and don't give a fuck if it is making the Pacific ocean toxic. They ARE the problem right now.


You really want to point to the age of the dinosaurs, with such a tumultuous history of extinctions culminating into the meteor impact 65 million years ago? The ecosystem changed dramatically to suit different species, and as such, new species were meted out of the ones that managed to survive. I think there is a lot of misinformation by climate change believer about what would actually happen though.
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