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Posted 12/3/16 , edited 12/3/16
So it seems like we're moving to a deus ex machina ending with the Magic Stone. We have more sci-fi science with more clones being made and the possibility of consciousness transference. And we had another time skip of a month.

I just... had such high hopes for this show. I'm invested in it because the first half of the season seemed pretty good, but things make even less sense now.

Why did Berkman help create and bring about Sophie knowing full well that bringing himself success would get himself betrayed by Otto in the end? Why make a magical atom bomb with the witch's power when you have the witch, and possibly an endless supply of them via clones? Izetta has been unconscious for over a month (plus does no one in Eylstadt have more than one or two pairs of clothes? Everything seems new and clean pressed for a whole month out in the wilderness)? Sieghard had the other half of the Magic Stone THIS WHOLE TIME and never gave it to Izetta and be like "Use this as a last resort" deal?

I get Sophie's motivation at least now, from warning Izetta to not work with humans, then works with humans to destroy Eylstadt. But now that she's destroyed Eylstadt pretty much why is she helping bomb Londenion (these names, lol)? She doesn't seem to care if she dies, knows she's just a clone, and probably won't live much longer. You'd think she would have contempt for all humans and not just Eylstadt citizens, especially the ones that are using her for their own human gains.

For someone who loves lore and stories this anime just seems to be riddled with holes I can't get around
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Posted 12/4/16
Episode 9 killed this show for me and it sounds like Episode 10 doesn't make up for it. This show is in the toilet. They had a good thing going, and then blew it. It would've been much more interesting to see the Atlantan entry into the war and surprise invasion of Eylstadt. Instead they give us this Sophie bullshit, taking the easy, cliched, well-trodden path.
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Posted 12/4/16
i got so bad. Not sure I will watch more of it
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Posted 12/4/16
Ep. 10

- So glad they avoided going the one 'bottom feeder path' and had Izetta and Fine escape.
- I'm going to take Sophie's calling Elliot a "manwhore" as proof towards him and Otto being at the least in a sexual dynamic.
- Fine being at Izetta's beside and shedding tears of relief at her waking up <3 Though another missed opportunity for a kiss >.<
- Fine being willing to give up her country in order to spare Izetta says a huge amount about how much she loves Izetta.
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Posted 12/4/16
Having recently watched a few documentaries on the lead up to and events of WWII I'm impressed how well the writers are shadowing history in this alternate universe.
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Posted 12/4/16

SajuukCor wrote:
You'd think she would have contempt for all humans and not just Eylstadt citizens, especially the ones that are using her for their own human gains.


We'll probably find she still loves the prince. It was his wife and a group of Eylstadt citizens who arranged her capture and sold her to the Inquisition. If the Inquisition mentioned is supposed to be the Spanish Inquisition and the timeline holds then it's been some 450ish years since her death. (Which brings up the question of how any of her tissues would be viable to be cloned. Some bone marrow could have been viable I guess.) If so then the "blood" of those "betrayers" would have had plenty of time to spread throughout the country.

Anger and revenge are strange things that rarely engender logic in how they are expressed. They are forms of madness whose wielders find themselves twisting reason into distorted shapes even Escher could not duplicate to find their path to their target. That the target actually deserves that focus doesn't matter in the eyes of the one seeking revenge. And in the eyes of the one seeking revenge they view others as tools to their goals. They may know others are trying to use them but to themselves they see only that those others lead them to their vengeance.
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Posted 12/4/16

domvina wrote:


SajuukCor wrote:
You'd think she would have contempt for all humans and not just Eylstadt citizens, especially the ones that are using her for their own human gains.


We'll probably find she still loves the prince. It was his wife and a group of Eylstadt citizens who arranged her capture and sold her to the Inquisition. If the Inquisition mentioned is supposed to be the Spanish Inquisition and the timeline holds then it's been some 450ish years since her death. (Which brings up the question of how any of her tissues would be viable to be cloned. Some bone marrow could have been viable I guess.) If so then the "blood" of those "betrayers" would have had plenty of time to spread throughout the country.

Anger and revenge are strange things that rarely engender logic in how they are expressed. They are forms of madness whose wielders find themselves twisting reason into distorted shapes even Escher could not duplicate to find their path to their target. That the target actually deserves that focus doesn't matter in the eyes of the one seeking revenge. And in the eyes of the one seeking revenge they view others as tools to their goals. They may know others are trying to use them but to themselves they see only that those others lead them to their vengeance.


I guess it also turns into a "Do as I say, not as I do" thing really. I get she has anger and wants revenge on the people do did her wrong, but you don't give a speech saying that "helping humans is bad, look at what they did to me" and then proceed to help humans.

And then she wins, she destroys Eylstadt pretty much and Germania invades. It's a month later, why is she continuing to help humans? I doubt Otto would let her make the country a large crater in the ground to literally destroy the country.
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Posted 12/4/16
So far I've sorta got sick of how the characters act because it's super dramatic in a way, but the shows great!
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Posted 12/5/16



SajuukCor wrote:




And then she wins, she destroys Eylstadt pretty much and Germania invades. It's a month later, why is she continuing to help humans? I doubt Otto would let her make the country a large crater in the ground to literally destroy the country.


Did you see that "not a nuclear weapon really " that they called an "excedium bomb "? I think that's exactly what she expects to do.

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Posted 12/8/16
Glad to see I'm not the only one who is giving this show the side eye. Idk the formula for most shows is the bad guy gets everything they want pretty easily and the good guys defeat him in usually some goofy you can do anything when believe in blah blah blah.

This show however the events up to now have nothing but irritated me. The stupidly easy infiltrations. Clones of witches. Transferring consciousness. How germania knew more about the damn lore than eles however you spell it. F this show
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Posted 12/10/16
Episode 11

The hideout has been discovered, and in comes Izetta to save the day by using the magical stone, but at the cost of her lifespan. As wicked as Berkmann had been, his country is disposing of him, so he decides to betray his country to let Sieg know about their country's plans and that they have an atomic bomb that they are about to launch on Landsbruck unless they surrender. While Sieg believes that Berkmann is telling the truth, he just doesn't like his me-first attitude. Fine decides to surrender, but Izetta isn't accepting her decision, so the fight continues and the plan is to keep Sophie occupied as she is needed if the missile is to be fired. It's good to see Izetta back on her feet again and she's such a warrior willing to sacrifice herself so that justice prevails. One more episode left.
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Posted 12/10/16
Episode 11

Sigh, I still don't like Berkmann much regardless whatever position he is in now.

Interestingly enough, I think this episode will set up for the finale well as Izetta will fight against Sophie. The part about Fine and Izetta at the end was kinda adorable. In regards to storytelling though, it felt pretty meh. The whole secret weapon reveal, Berkmann's betrayal, etc all felt cheesy as part of the plot.

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Posted 12/10/16
I'm sure the shippers are loving this episode
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Posted 12/10/16 , edited 12/10/16

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Interestingly enough, I think this episode will set up for the finale well as Izetta will fight against Sophie. The part about Fine and Izetta at the end was kinda adorable. In regards to storytelling though, it felt pretty meh. The whole secret weapon reveal, Berkmann's betrayal, etc all felt cheesy as part of the plot.


I have to agree. As much as I enjoyed the Fine Izetta moments (though there should have been an explicit kiss or even more given that it pretty obviously did happen off screen, but maybe next episode) I still feel this show has massively faltered in terms of plotting and storytelling. Maybe it was the constraint of limiting themselves to a single 12 episode season and having to rush through to tell their story after a fairly strong and well paced first few episodes. I'm not sure but I do hope the problems aren't completely overlooked for the one major strong point the series has consistently had in place from the start.

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Posted 12/10/16
Interesting to see how Berkmann switched sides. Great, i suppose.

And the Germanians (if i recall correctly) were developing a new type of bomb? Almost, if not entirely a nuclear bomb. It does have things similar.

All that remains is the battle between Izetta and Sophie. How epic it's gonna be, can't wait!
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