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https://www.rt.com/usa/361337-internet-us-govt-control/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/29/icann-un-take-internet-oct-1/

http://regated.com/2016/08/oct-1-obama-gives-un-power-internet/

I dunno if this has anything to do with it but all of my YouTube channels seem to be either gone or unsearchable. And today, on this forum, I got a "blocked" message when I tried to post a reply shortly after calling someone a democrat .

My biggest concern, aside from the obvious censorship that will now occur through threats of domain denial (since ICANN is now soley privately owned) is that .gov is no longer protected so we can't be sure if we're actually looking at a government site anymore.

Oh, and like other companies, it can get bought by foreign influences and completely screw our country over (like that ever happens...).
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Conspiracy theory ahoy!

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Dark_Alma wrote:

Conspiracy theory ahoy!



its not about it being up and running, its about who owns the servers/domain, basically the keys to the internet which has been thhe usa since its founding, basically what this means is , its up to the highest bidder, who controls what, what can be said on the interwebs, etc, , you know change doesn't happen over night

like different places like .gov wont be under usa control, censorship can begin


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FFS, I thought congress were going to hang on to that until ICANN either sorted itself out or were all hanged for gross corruption.
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FFS, I thought congress were going to hang on to that until ICANN either sorted itself out or were all hanged for gross corruption.


Failed to block it in congress and a corrupt Texas judge denied the 4 state AG's that requested a temporary halt on the expiration until the constitutionality of turning over something that could be used to take away previously protected first amendment rights from citizens using the internet.

Some of the judges here in Texas... It just sucks that their owned.
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redokami wrote:


Dark_Alma wrote:

Conspiracy theory ahoy!



its not about it being up and running, its about who owns the servers/domain, basically the keys to the internet which has been thhe usa since its founding, basically what this means is , its up to the highest bidder, who controls what, what can be said on the interwebs, etc, , you know change doesn't happen over night

like different places like .gov wont be under usa control, censorship can begin




Still not really worried. That and the sources are sketchy at best and would never hold ground in a professional debate at worst. I have seen enough of these posts that I am about to liken it to "end of the world" stuff.

Shit, I have seen 17 end of the worlds in the last 15 years already.
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Emtro wrote:

https://www.rt.com/usa/361337-internet-us-govt-control/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/29/icann-un-take-internet-oct-1/

http://regated.com/2016/08/oct-1-obama-gives-un-power-internet/

I dunno if this has anything to do with it but all of my YouTube channels seem to be either gone or unsearchable. And today, on this forum, I got a "blocked" message when I tried to post a reply shortly after calling someone a democrat .

My biggest concern, aside from the obvious censorship that will now occur through threats of domain denial (since ICANN is now soley privately owned) is that .gov is no longer protected so we can't be sure if we're actually looking at a government site anymore.

Oh, and like other companies, it can get bought by foreign influences and completely screw our country over (like that ever happens...).


]http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/29/icann-un-take-internet-oct-1

The US Commerce Dept handing remaining control to ICANN has nothing to do with YouTube. That's called YouTube's censorship and various takedowns. The last real thing the Commerce Dept's been doing the past few years is rubber stamping changes to the global DNS root zone but now ICANN can skip them and head to VeriSign (who maintains the root zone) to make the changes.


Also the US Government is the one that administers the .gov and .mil domains.
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Maromi-kun wrote:
The US Commerce Dept handing remaining control to ICANN has nothing to do with YouTube. That's called YouTube's censorship and various takedowns. The last real thing the Commerce Dept's been doing the past few years is rubber stamping changes to the global DNS root zone but now ICANN can skip them and head to VeriSign (who maintains the root zone) to make the changes.


Also the US Government is the one that administers the .gov and .mil domains.


So what you are saying is that I shouldn't really care?
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sundin13 wrote:


Maromi-kun wrote:
The US Commerce Dept handing remaining control to ICANN has nothing to do with YouTube. That's called YouTube's censorship and various takedowns. The last real thing the Commerce Dept's been doing the past few years is rubber stamping changes to the global DNS root zone but now ICANN can skip them and head to VeriSign (who maintains the root zone) to make the changes.


Also the US Government is the one that administers the .gov and .mil domains.


So what you are saying is that I shouldn't really care?


Unless all the regional registrars suddenly collapse and VeriSign accidentally damages the global dns root file, you shouldn't worry that much.
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Not only was Obozo overreaching by doing this and the majority of Congress shown again to be a bunch of feckless spineless cowards by not voting to stop this, this IN NO WAY helped America or the free world whatsoever; it only makes us weaker and gives notorious human rights abusing nations like Russia, iran and China more ways to undermine the free world. Giving an international corporate body (which could be comprised of ANYONE) oversight over the largest network of information in the world is a very, very foolish idea.

And before anyone says "oh, that'll never happen" in regards to the idea of nations using this to censor or undermine us, may I respectfully point out that five of the biggest human rights violators in the world (Cuba, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and Venezuela) are currently sitting on the UN's so-called "Human Rights Council", which is in and of itself a black joke. What does the UN's HRC have to do with ICANN? Not much, save to demonstrate that giving nation-states which are known to be hostile to free, non-authoritarian nations are known to work to constantly undermine America and nations like us. This was literally handing these nations another means to undermine us and making it that much more difficult for people who WANT to to be free in these nations to break free of their bondage.

ICANN ain't in complance to the First Amendment, and the government kust gave the largest communications network in the world over to a body that may or may not use it to strange free speech depending on who controls it. Think about the implications of that for a second, folks. This isn't tinfoil hat, doomsday prepper stuff, but this SHOULD concern you; nothing good would come of allowing mainland China or Russia to control the internet through ICANN.
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back in 2008:


what he actually meant:
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we're basically all doomed now then.
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Nagtori wrote:

we're basically all doomed now then.


as for the US, the US would be doomed either way, thanks to the elections.
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Not only was Obozo overreaching by doing this and the majority of Congress shown again to be a bunch of feckless spineless cowards by not voting to stop this, this IN NO WAY helped America or the free world whatsoever; it only makes us weaker and gives notorious human rights abusing nations like Russia, iran and China more ways to undermine the free world. Giving an international corporate body (which could be comprised of ANYONE) oversight over the largest network of information in the world is a very, very foolish idea.

And before anyone says "oh, that'll never happen" in regards to the idea of nations using this to censor or undermine us, may I respectfully point out that five of the biggest human rights violators in the world (Cuba, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and Venezuela) are currently sitting on the UN's so-called "Human Rights Council", which is in and of itself a black joke. What does the UN's HRC have to do with ICANN? Not much, save to demonstrate that giving nation-states which are known to be hostile to free, non-authoritarian nations are known to work to constantly undermine America and nations like us. This was literally handing these nations another means to undermine us and making it that much more difficult for people who WANT to to be free in these nations to break free of their bondage.

ICANN ain't in complance to the First Amendment, and the government kust gave the largest communications network in the world over to a body that may or may not use it to strange free speech depending on who controls it. Think about the implications of that for a second, folks. This isn't tinfoil hat, doomsday prepper stuff, but this SHOULD concern you; nothing good would come of allowing mainland China or Russia to control the internet through ICANN.



It's not like the US was already undermining the Internet with the NSA or anything. Or that ICAAN's board is already made of people of various nationalities and many of them with technical backgrounds. If you still want the US to have control over the Internet, you might as well have a government takeover of VeriSign and the regional registries since they deal out the IP ranges they're given. Probably would've been useful in cutting off countries with human rights violations I guess.
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namealreadytaken wrote:


Nagtori wrote:

we're basically all doomed now then.


as for the US, the US would be doomed either way, thanks to the elections.


nah, trump has it in the bag, he's too cute to let us down! but the internet?! we need that.
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