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Posted 10/2/16 , edited 10/2/16
She should gave given him a nut vice and sent him to the hospital then jail. Pure self defense.
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Self defense. I'm surprised that guy just walked away. Most bouncers/bodyguards would put you down hard for grabbing a woman like that.
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Posted 10/3/16 , edited 10/3/16

BlackRose0607 wrote:



Yeah, but that's because you're a guy. Do you know how scary it is for a female to be picked up by a male that they don't know who they are and what they're planning on doing to them? It's pretty damn scary, I can tell you.



This is incredulous. You don't know what it's like for it to happen to a guy, and you don't know what it's like for any woman other than yourself, not without asking.
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gornotck wrote:

Explain what she did and how she could have gone too far. Not everyone keeps up with whoever this is.


Here are the links for you (and for others who also don't know) to catch up on what's going on:

1. http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/celebrity-news/not-model-behaviour-gigi-hadid-hits-back-at-report-of-milan-attack-20160927-grpy1r.html

2. https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/1831539/gigi-hadid-aggresively-lashes-out-and-elbows-fan-in-the-face-after-he-tries-to-pick-her-up/

3. http://fashionista.com/2016/09/gigi-hadid-milan-attack





DeadlyOats wrote:

How about a few links to news articles for a point of reference?


The OP posted links to three news articles about it in his second post in the thread. They're not highlighted as links, but they're there. Did you not see them?
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BlackRose0607 wrote:



Yeah, but that's because you're a guy. Do you know how scary it is for a female to be picked up by a male that they don't know who they are and what they're planning on doing to them? It's pretty damn scary, I can tell you.



This is incredulous. You don't know what it's like for it to happen to a guy, and you don't know what it's like for any woman other than yourself, not without asking.


And how do you know that I don't know what something like that feels like for a guy or another woman? You don't know me and the people I have in my life. Who are you to say that I don't know people who have had this done to them personally? That's a pretty big assumption that you're making there.
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BlackRose0607 wrote:



And how do you know that I don't know what something like that feels like for a guy or another woman? You don't know me and the people I have in my life. Who are you to say that I don't know people who have had this done to them personally? That's a pretty big assumption that you're making there.


Deflection. You devalued someone's opinion based on his sex, and made crass assumptions regarding the experiences of both men and women. Unless you've somehow acquired mind-reading powers, you most certainly cannot make an honest claim that women must share the same experience as you had, much less, that men cannot. You'd have done better to have simply given your personal assessment of your own experience, instead of projecting and assuming a sexist stance.
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Speaking plainly (if not politically correctly), I think it's fairly safe to assume that it's more frightening to be grabbed/picked up by a strange man than a strange woman no matter what your gender is. It's simply a matter of average physical power.

Regardless of your own gender, the chances you'll be able to overpower or escape a female attacker are greater than they are against a man.

As to unwanted sexual advances/contact from men vs women.. It gets a little more complicated.. as a man, the knee-jerk reaction from many is going to be that you're the aggressor if the other individual is female.

But this all seems like a distraction. As I understand it, some dude grabbed a celebrity and she elbowed him to get him off. Good on her, maybe he learned something from it.
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Deflection. You devalued someone's opinion based on his sex, and made crass assumptions regarding the experiences of both men and women. Unless you've somehow acquired mind-reading powers, you most certainly cannot make an honest claim that women must share the same experience as you had, much less, that men cannot. You'd have done better to have simply given your personal assessment of your own experience, instead of projecting and assuming a sexist stance.

Most guys don't weigh 110 pounds, so your SJW gibberish makes no sense. Most guys will never be picked up from behind like that.
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Most guys don't weigh 110 pounds, so your SJW gibberish makes no sense. Most guys will never be picked up from behind like that.


Is "SJW" your go-to insult? So someone disagrees with and confronts Rose, so that person must be an "SJW"? I know you have a tendency of getting involved in CR arguments and starting them, but your opening statement is more off-the-wall than usual.

Furthermore, I'd like to know how weight and "most guys..." absolves the fact that Rose spoke out of her ass.
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aeb0717 wrote:


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:



Most guys don't weigh 110 pounds, so your SJW gibberish makes no sense. Most guys will never be picked up from behind like that.


Is "SJW" your go-to insult?

No. Idiot is. You haven't been called one yet. Count your blessings.


So someone disagrees with and confronts Rose, so that person must be an "SJW"?

I'm calling you an SJW because you are offended over a trivial statement and calling it, even though it's a fairly reasonable stance, sexist.


I know you have a tendency of getting involved in CR arguments and starting them,

Close. I don't start them. I finish them.


but your opening statement is more off-the-wall than usual.

If it is, it's probably because I've been awake for 26 hours, now.


Furthermore, I'd like to know how weight and "most guys..." absolves the fact that Rose spoke out of her ass.

Because, anecodetally speaking of course, since I would never dream of being picked up like that, I don't too much worry about it. In a practical sense, the only time I could feasibly see a guy being picked up in such a fashion would be if the person was attempting to harm him. Guys, on the other hand, pick girls up all the time, usually playfully. I can completely see why "simply being a woman" would garner a vastly different reaction. It's not sexist; it's reasonable.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

Most guys don't weigh 110 pounds, so your SJW gibberish makes no sense. Most guys will never be picked up from behind like that.No. Idiot is. You haven't been called one yet. Count your blessings.

I'm calling you an SJW because you are offended over a trivial statement and calling it, even though it's a fairly reasonable stance, sexist.

Close. I don't start them. I finish them.

If it is, it's probably because I've been awake for 26 hours, now.

Because, anecodetally speaking of course, since I would never dream of being picked up like that, I don't too much worry about it. In a practical sense, the only time I could feasibly see a guy being picked up in such a fashion would be if the person was attempting to harm him. Guys, on the other hand, pick girls up all the time, usually playfully. I can completely see why "simply being a woman" would garner a vastly different reaction. It's not sexist; it's reasonable.


Christ, your set-up was awkward. Yes, I did gut it out, in an attempt to avoid breaking the quotes.

I give sidelong looks to people who project their personal experiences onto me, which is what she did. I also give double-takes to those who brush off a person's opinion with, "because you're a guy." I see zero critical thinking from that kind of approach. It seems very lazy and, dare I say it, sexist. Without any further explanation to these types of blanket statements, I do right such things off as "sexist." You gave an explanation, you provided substance to back it up. Rose did not, and her strange response to my comment certainly didn't help her case.


On a side note; I point out that the name of the game around here is to pick apart trivial comments. You have your excuses to argue, and I have my own.





You need to sleep.
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BlackRose0607 wrote:


utekkii wrote:


gornotck wrote:

Explain what she did and how she could have gone too far. Not everyone keeps up with whoever this is.


Here are the links for you (and for others who also don't know) to catch up on what's going on:

1. http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/celebrity-news/not-model-behaviour-gigi-hadid-hits-back-at-report-of-milan-attack-20160927-grpy1r.html

2. https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/1831539/gigi-hadid-aggresively-lashes-out-and-elbows-fan-in-the-face-after-he-tries-to-pick-her-up/

3. http://fashionista.com/2016/09/gigi-hadid-milan-attack





DeadlyOats wrote:

How about a few links to news articles for a point of reference?


The OP posted links to three news articles about it in his second post in the thread. They're not highlighted as links, but they're there. Did you not see them?


Nope. I just got home from work after doing a bunch of overtime when I posted about not seeing any links.... I must have missed it from being too tired. Thanks for pointing them out to me.
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I CANNOT BELIEVE ANYONE IS ARGUING THAT SHE OVER REACTED!!!!!

It's called a "fight or flight" reaction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight-or-flight_response. It is an involuntary reaction. The individual experiencing this does not know what they're going to do at the instant the perceived threat presents itself. That guy totally surprised her, and she reacted as though she was in the fight of her life, or better, a fight for her life.

What did the media, and others who criticized her, want her to do? Did they want her to scream helplessly and wait for someone to save her? The security detail already failed her. The guy got through them and assailed her. She is totally within her rights to defend herself.

The thing with fight or flight, is that if your automatic unconscious response is to fight, then you are gonna be full of FIGHT. So, yeah, she was pissed and went after him, cussing at his stupid ass.

Think about a woman alone at night in a parking lot trying to enter her car. A guy sneaks up on her. She is either gonna run, or she is gonna fight. Those are natural reactions. It's not something you plan to do or rehearse beforehand, it's instantaneous.


EDIT:

I can't find the Daily Mail's original story that sparked all of the controversy. They are being quoted a lot by other news sites, but I can't find the story that's being sited. Anyone have a link to it?
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