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Out of everyone in America these are the people we have to choose from...


The reality that one of these two--quite possibly the two most hated people in our nation--will be president in a few months is seriously unnerving. I'm scratching my head as to how it got to be those two being the last two candidates standing. Out of all the people I know, only one of them actually wanted either of the two as President, and everyone else (myself included) is dead-set against them. Other than the harpies on The View, I don't know any Hilary supporters. And outside of the cooks on Fox News I only know of one Trump supporter. WTF is going on?
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That just goes to show. Trump has 100% more supporters than Hillary, despite the media's claims to the contrary.
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Out of everyone in America these are the people we have to choose from...


The reality that one of these two--quite possibly the two most hated people in our nation--will be president in a few months is seriously unnerving. I'm scratching my head as to how it got to be those two being the last two candidates standing. Out of all the people I know, only one of them actually wanted either of the two as President, and everyone else (myself included) is dead-set against them. Other than the harpies on The View, I don't know any Hilary supporters. And outside of the cooks on Fox News I only know of one Trump supporter. WTF is going on?


I got my mom to be for trump, took a little bit


my aunt who is 38 just asks in novemeber who my grandma is voting for, and that's who she votes for, talk about being brainless

my granpa is one of those that even if he hates the candidate he still stays with his party, with is demo
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My family, except my dad, were for Carson early on. Then he dropped out and we sort of fell in line with Cruz because he was the last sane candidate, and he sounded like he echoed a lot of my views on smaller government, deregulation, and so on. I'm unaffiliated with a party, but lean Center-Right Libertarian, but even I can't get on board with Gary Johnson. The guy is just flat-out unintelligent and his main policies are basically a combination of Neo-Con and Progressive policies (about as anti-libertarian as it gets). My family is pretty much all unaffiliated, except grandparents who are registered Democrats voting Republican. Most are voting Trump because they buy into the lesser-of-two-evils theory, but some like me are writing in Ron Paul. The only wasted vote is a vote for someone you can't stand behind. I agree with some of Trump's policies, but the man is all for himself when it's all said and done. He'll sell out the American people in heartbeat if he felt like it would profit him and his own--no integrity or loyalty to speak of--that's why I can't vote for him.
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Bernie sold out, it's amazing how quickly Wall Street money can force someone to ditch all of their principles so easily.
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adairjoseph1973 wrote:


Out of everyone in America these are the people we have to choose from...


The reality that one of these two--quite possibly the two most hated people in our nation--will be president in a few months is seriously unnerving. I'm scratching my head as to how it got to be those two being the last two candidates standing. Out of all the people I know, only one of them actually wanted either of the two as President, and everyone else (myself included) is dead-set against them. Other than the harpies on The View, I don't know any Hilary supporters. And outside of the cooks on Fox News I only know of one Trump supporter. WTF is going on?



The country is more polarized than ever, that's why. Well that and the so called "sane" centrists racking up 20 trillion in debt causing people to be willing to roll the dice with very untraditional candidates out of desperation for real change.
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Not the best of sources: Huffing(and puffing)ton Post: left-leaning rag that has inordinate amount of Democrat bias in polls versus neutral population selection (assuming that is even possible). Same for Big 3.5 + 1 minnow that overtly back Big Government, More Government Change themes versus Less Government Intervention toward all concerned: ABC (Always Boost Clinton), NBC (Never Bash Clinton), CBS (Clinton Broadcast System), CNN (Clintonian News Network), FOX (forever Fomenting OXymorons).

Suggest you seek other sources beyond the above list of so-so's and also rans. You can go to Drudge Report webpage where he lists / links both sides with sources / access to info / propaganda both sides.

Trumpet tapped into growing voter dissatisfaction with the workings of the political system(s) right from the start and blew away the Republican hopefuls / patsies a la Republic Debates 2016.

Dick Morris (& Eileen McGann): Dick was a political consultant, pollster hired by 1 of the Clintons back in the 1990's who successfully (along with other operatives) guided this dynasty to 2 4-year US Presidential terms back in the day. Doesn't have a lily-white political past and did switch parties (D to R) years ago. Has been hawking books based upon his experience(s) for better or worse ever since and, of course, always just before Election Year 2xxx .

Presently he has a new strategem book for Trump titled Armageddon: How Trump can beat Hillary. It seems to be doing well on Amazon. Below is 1 (of many) customer reviews:



5.0 out of 5 starsHillary’s Weaknesses According To The Foremost Clinton Expert
ByJames R. HollandVINE VOICEon July 8, 2016
Format: Hardcover
Dick Morris probably knows more about the Clintons than anyone else in the world. He was their campaign manager almost from day one in Arkansas through one of Clinton’s successful runs for President. He knew them well enough to actually get into wrestling matches on the floor with Bill during an argument. Because of that close relationship, Morris also knows where all the bodies are buried.

As a master campaign manager Morris has excellent advice for Trump in his campaign against Hillary. He provides his advice in a clear, concise manner and then provides details of why his approach should work.

For this reader, the most important single chapter was the first one. It’s titled, “A Dozen Reasons Hillary Clinton Should Not Be President.”

“Reason One: She Demonstrated Her inability to Be Commander in Chief at Benghazi.” Then Morris and his co-author Eileen McGann reveal the thinking behind this and each and everyone of the other eleven reasons.

“Reason Two: She is a Compulsive, Pathological, and Serial Liar Who Cannot Be Trusted to Tell the Truth to the American People.” Hillary has always believed that she can put something over on us, that she can lie with immunity and get away with it.” The latest proof of this statement was just provided by the FBI Director’s Report. Morris adds much to that information.

As with most of his previous NY TIMES best sellers, this is one of those books the reader will not want to put aside even to rest their tired eyes or let their blood pressure drop back to normal. The book will make the reader’s blood boil because Hillary has every reason to believe she is still above the law. The Obama Justice Department has given her yet another pass even though the FBI Director laid out a detailed report of her constant and repeated lies to the public and Congress.

“We know that Hillary makes mistakes under pressure. We’ve seen it. Confronted with her past, she resorts to lies, evasions, and distortions.”

“Denial is her way of life. It’s how she keeps going every day. She will not breech that wall of denial unless she is forced to do so. And no advisor, consultant, or handler has the clout or security to make her tell the truth.”

Morris advises Trump to keep up the pressure on her terrible record and untruthfulness. “Keep up the pressure. Make her make mistakes. Force her to dig herself deeper and deeper into lies and cover-ups.”

This is definitely another page-turner from Morris and McGann. Hopefully it will help save American by keeping Hillary out of the White House.

Is he right or is he full of it? Idk. This is just a suggestion re political diatribe here on CR.

Full Disclosure: I despise Hitlery, not crazy about The Donald either. My observation as a US citizen with damn gubmint has been it promises long, always delivers short.
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DeadlyOats wrote:

The U.S. is suppose to be backing the rebels



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No we're not. Backing terrorists so that they overthrow the government is what gave us the chaos in Libya. Repeating that same failed strategy in Syria is crazy. We're not even supposed to be there. At least not militarily. We need diplomacy with both Syria and Russia or else all sides in this conflict will just continue to kill each other and give more territory to ISIS. Whenever we charge into a country trying to overthrow its leader, the entire region suffers more destabilization.


We are not backing terrorists, we are backing people who began by protesting peacefully, and by using social media. The government and the military both split, when the leader of Syria started to slaughter civilians to get them to stop protesting. The split became a civil war, which the pro-freedom side almost won, until Russia stepped in. Russia backed the oppressive regime with weapons, troops, and air support.

The U.S. initially supported the anti-government side with moral support, and intelligence and military advice. In short order, the oppressive regime began kicking butt with Russian involvement. Russian jets and Russian artillery is supporting the regime.

Then one day, out of the blue, ISIS got involved, invading from Iraq. They thought they were going to get the whole-hearted support of the anti-government side of the civil war, but found themselves attacked by both sides. For a short time, Russia, the Syrian oppressive regime, the U.S., and the anti-regime side of the civil war, all joined sides to destroy ISIS. Now that ISIS is basically destroyed in Syria, the Russians and the Syrian regime have gone back to an all out slaughter of not only anti regime forces, but unarmed civilians, too.

What Barack Obama do about it? Cries "Hey! No fair!" Eventually, a cease fire was agreed to, but as soon as emergency food and medical aid for the civilians started coming in from international relief agencies, Russian and Syrian regime forces attacked those and resumed the slaughter of civilians.

The message this is sending the world is that if the U.S. is in your corner, don't expect much help. The U.S. is not backing terrorists.


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All Hillary represents is a continuation of Obama's strategies. We are really gonna become isolated and outflanked if something isn't done to turn this around.



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I disagree. We're not being more isolated. It's the opposite. We're too involved with the world and we leave destruction everywhere we go. There's never been a more imperialistic nation since the European countries over 3 centuries ago. I guess you can also include Nazi Germany, but they didn't get very far. It's one thing if our allies are attacked and we rush in to defend them. It's another thing when we bomb countries just to establish more influence in that region.

If you want to see an isolationist, look no further than the living cheeto that is against free trade, demonizes our allies, and wants to commit war crimes halfway around the world. Might as well elect Kim Jong Un. At least his family is already experienced doing this.


You misunderstood. I did not say we will become isolated because of a lack of involvement. I'm saying we will be isolated, because instead of improving relations with Central and South America, we are alienating them. China is winning them over, because they aren't browbeating them about human rights and their lack of anti drug lord action.

Then you get someone like the Philippine president who really is going hard on organized crime and wiping out the drug gangs over there, and Barack Obama pisses all over him for that. Obama pisses off one of our strongest allies and gets them talking to the Chinese AND the Russians about opening up friendlier ties.

In THAT way we are becoming more isolated. Obama's foreign policies as carried out by Hillary, will only be continued if she becomes president. And we'll end up losing all of our remaining allies.


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Add to that that the Democrats and Republicans (not Trump, I mean real Republicans), are very interested in stripping Americans of their rights as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights in our Constitution. Patriot Act, Homeland Security, the NSA, are all enormous efforts to spy on Americans, and to reduce our individual freedoms.



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I'm not sure why you excluded Trump when he's easily the worst offender. Out of the 20+ presidential candidates we've had this election, he's the one that has attacked the Constitution the most. The GOP somehow nominated a man who has attacked free speech, wants stricter surveillance that goes against the Fourth Amendment, wants people imprisoned or killed without trial, supports torture, flip flops on gun rights, and uses government power to bully ordinary citizens using eminent domain. Hillary isn't that much better, but at least she doesn't openly take pride in having these positions.

Republicans and democrats each have their own skeletons and agree with at least some of these, but no one on either side can say they support all these things that Trump is in favor of. If you care at all about protecting people's rights, it makes no sense to vote for the one guy who's promising to strip away as many rights from everyone as possible. How long will it take for his supporters to realize that he's a con man and doesn't even try to hide it?


I didn't exclude Trump, because I think he's a saint. I excluded him as a "real Republican", because the Republican party elite, hates him, and are fearful that he will tear down their carefully built system of "I'll scratch your back, if you scratch mine," networks and systems, built with corporations. The Republican Party, has taken advantage of getting its votes from the voting Republican masses, but ignores them, and breaks promises made to them, when after each election, they turned around and handed everything to the large corporations. This is why Trump was able to be where he's at now. He has proven he isn't a member of THAT club.

But the point I was trying to make, and the reason I also excluded Trump from this is because, starting with Bush Jr, increasing during Bill Clinton's presidency, and going full steam ahead during Obama's administration, our government has established the groundwork for a secret police. They have built the infrastructure to monitor or every move every Americans make, and to build dossiers on every man woman and child living in the United States, as well as around the world (if they need to). They did this secretly and illegally. Whenever they got caught, instead of undoing the illegal activity, Congress just went ahead and made laws to legalize the activity. In this way, over the presidencies of Bush Jr, Clinton, and Obama, our rights have been systematically stripped away.

It's already being done, and if Hillary becomes president, you think she'll undo any of that? She has proven to be even more eager to strip away more of our rights. She has been a part of this process since Bill Clinton was president. She had her hand in it throughout Obama's administration. She will only carry on the next steps of turning our country into a police state.


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I really do not want a continuation of any of that. That's why I voted for Trump, to break the Republican party. And it's why I'll vote for Trump. To break the Dempublican / Repocrat party.



PhantomGundam wrote:

So to break the two parties, you're going to support one of the two parties even when they've put out their weakest candidates in history... What?


My hope is that win or lose, it will shake up Republican politics to where they will HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION to the Republican voting masses. Especially, if he wins, then both parties will be shaken up. He may only last four years, but both parties will learn that the people are tired of being ignored. My hope is that they will actually start doing the will of the people when they vote on stuff in Congress.

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Look at this! http://truepundit.com/united-nations-targeting-wikileaks-founder-with-drone-strike-criminal-human-rights-violation/ I found this on another thread, but it perfectly illustrates my point about Hillary Clinton. She has no regard for due process, or the law. Imagine if they actually did that?

It would make Ecuador our enemy, and make them strong allies of Russia and China! Great Brittan would be really, really pissed at us, too. And would likely want to kick us on the shins for doing it on their turf....

And here folks are talking about how dangerous Trump would be.....
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Trump and Clinton are both alien lizard people out to further world domination and enslavement of the human race.

Jill Stein is a fraggle. i like fraggles.



Mokey was smarter, saner and more focused than Jill Stein will ever be.
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Who will be held most accountable? The ultimate boogeyman tarnished by the media on a daily basis? Or the most powerful woman in the world owned by special interests who has a history of destroying third world countries and destabilizing the majority of the middle east? Who is more dangerous? Hillary Clinton has never been held accountable for anything in her life and her countless scandals have been buried by the mainstream media. Whether it's Travelgate, ChinaGate, Whitewater, Cattle Futures, robbing Nigeria, defense of a child rap-ist and so forth.

Trump has said horrible things (as has clinton) but Hillary is the only one with a genuine record of screwing over the american people all for the sake of personal enrichment.

We need to turn off CNN and the other propaganda networks. Trump is the designated fall guy and Hillary is the one long ago chosen to be the next president. Not even the republicans in congress are willing to bring light or attention to any of her scandals. This is a phony farce of an election. The primaries were rigged against Bernie Sanders with exit polls being off by more than 12% in some cases. The exit polls were so off the charts the media consortium had to cancel them for the final primaries including california. Something which has never occurred in American Election history.

I'd vote for Anyone over Hillary Clinton. Unless you guys feel all those drone strikes and bombs are good and wholesome just because a ''democrat'' is doing it.

If you fear Trump over Clinton then it's just a sign that the mainstream media has successfully done it's job in brainwashing the public.
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According to Trump, Hilary's policy stances on Isis are military strategy that should be kept secret. Someone that woefully ignorant about policy and military strategy needs to be miles away from the Oval Office.

And the fact he's proposed time and again to proliferate nuclear weapons and screw our allies for more money, yeah, what amounts for a Trump policy is a bad thing for America and our allies.


It sounds like you're saying you want Hillary miles away from the oval office. Don't worry, if she wins she'll spend more time in her taxpayer built medical mansion (can't be making those public appearances without her Botox) than Obama does working on his golf swing.

I guess if you're one of these alleged allies then that makes sense. It's not fair to be the ally of the US, AND have to contribute to the relationship. Nobody else has to, why should they.


Yes, I'm sure Clinton has no understanding about the differences of policy and military strategy. How silly of her to post such sensitive military secrets as 'take out Isis strongholds' and 'work with allies' and 'harden domestic defense'.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/combating-terrorism/

Trump wanting to squeeze Nato allies for money while spooning Putin leaves me wondering where the money trail is between them.

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Trump wanting to squeeze Nato allies for money while spooning Putin leaves me wondering where the money trail is between them.


"money trail"
Its called avoiding WW3

It's insane that leftists are the new McCarthyists
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Trump wanting to squeeze Nato allies for money while spooning Putin leaves me wondering where the money trail is between them.


"money trail"
Its called avoiding WW3

It's insane that leftists are the new McCarthyists


Trump isn't politically savvy enough to navigate around a former Miss America winner, nevermind Putin.

As soon as Democrats start advocating a ban list on Russian sympathizers you might actually have something to back up the McCarthy analogy. Regardless, Russian interests have been in expanding and maintaining it's own power base in Syria and Ukraine, neither of which coincide with US interests.

*And then Trump wants to level tariffs that will kick off a trade war with China. Totally a leader for national and global stability.
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:


qwueri wrote:


Trump wanting to squeeze Nato allies for money while spooning Putin leaves me wondering where the money trail is between them.


"money trail"
Its called avoiding WW3

It's insane that leftists are the new McCarthyists





qwueri wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:


qwueri wrote:


Trump wanting to squeeze Nato allies for money while spooning Putin leaves me wondering where the money trail is between them.


"money trail"
Its called avoiding WW3

It's insane that leftists are the new McCarthyists


Trump isn't politically savvy enough to navigate around a former Miss America winner, nevermind Putin.

As soon as Democrats start advocating a ban list on Russian sympathizers you might actually have something to back up the McCarthy analogy. Regardless, Russian interests have been in expanding and maintaining it's own power base in Syria and Ukraine, neither of which coincide with US interests.

*And then Trump wants to level tariffs that will kick off a trade war with China. Totally a leader for national and global stability.


Um, I don't understand this McCarthyism talk. There are too many democrats to throw them all in prison so we'll never get rid of all the commies. Russia only has about 17% communist presence, they're much better off than we are.
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