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From what I can tell, SNAP (aka the food stamp program) has error rates at at all time low and trafficking has been cut by over 75% over the last 15 years. I'm not seeing the evidence that the system is in bad shape. Also, it is worth noting that illegal immigrants do not qualify for food stamps.


There you go bringing reason into this. Didn't you read the thread title?

"I Have Found A Single Example That Validates My Confirmation Bias. Let Us Rejoice"


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brookline they have education to get a good paying job but the good paying jobs just aren't around here. they're doing what they can to survive


This is part of the problem, the job market is too flooded to support the people who can work.

Part of this is the colleges fault, for example I don't think they should be taking in thousands of students into the Forensic Science degree program when the job market rarely has any openings and usually only hires in 1 or 2 new people every few years per county, city, etc. department you are applying for. If everyone gets a marketing degree, the field can't give them all jobs so many people wasted their/others money to receive a degree they can't use.
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brookline they have education to get a good paying job but the good paying jobs just aren't around here. they're doing what they can to survive


This is part of the problem, the job market is too flooded to support the people who can work.

Part of this is the colleges fault, for example I don't think they should be taking in thousands of students into the Forensic Science degree program when the job market rarely has any openings and usually only hires in 1 or 2 new people every few years per county, city, etc. department you are applying for. If everyone gets a marketing degree, the field can't give them all jobs so many people wasted their/others money to receive a degree they can't use.


she has a business degree. due to high tech and outsourcing the bank job she had went over seas.
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People shouldn't have to leave the country to find work....
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sundin13 wrote:

From what I can tell, SNAP (aka the food stamp program) has error rates at at all time low and trafficking has been cut by over 75% over the last 15 years. I'm not seeing the evidence that the system is in bad shape. Also, it is worth noting that illegal immigrants do not qualify for food stamps.


There's a loophole. There are tons of illegal aliens on foodstamps, and they also get cash aid. They get it for their "American born kids." So, yeah, technically the illegal alien "isn't" getting the welfare benefits. The ones "getting" getting those benefits, are their "American"kids.

See how that works?
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sundin13 wrote:

From what I can tell, SNAP (aka the food stamp program) has error rates at at all time low and trafficking has been cut by over 75% over the last 15 years. I'm not seeing the evidence that the system is in bad shape. Also, it is worth noting that illegal immigrants do not qualify for food stamps.


There's a loophole. There are tons of illegal aliens on foodstamps, and they also get cash aid. They get it for their "American born kids." So, yeah, technically the illegal alien "isn't" getting the welfare benefits. The ones "getting" getting those benefits, are their "American"kids.

See how that works?


Thats not really a loophole, thats just how birthright citizenship works.
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brookline they have education to get a good paying job but the good paying jobs just aren't around here. they're doing what they can to survive


This is part of the problem, the job market is too flooded to support the people who can work.

Part of this is the colleges fault, for example I don't think they should be taking in thousands of students into the Forensic Science degree program when the job market rarely has any openings and usually only hires in 1 or 2 new people every few years per county, city, etc. department you are applying for. If everyone gets a marketing degree, the field can't give them all jobs so many people wasted their/others money to receive a degree they can't use.


We'll let be honest, colleges are a business and if you're willing to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a degree with little to no job prospects they will take your money regardless. My generation has learned this lesson since we were told college was the best option whatever you did and now the workforce is flooded with "educated" workers and fewer job openings. If things are the same in a decade I'm telling my kids to get into a trade
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thank to to clintons in the 1990s there's more food stamp fraud. back in the day people were given money like coupons. then food stamps were put on ebt cards to "prevent fraud", save paper, and not let people know a person is on foodstamps when they're paying at the check stand. but after the ebt card there is even more fraud because stores have a persons card number and everything is computerized.

another thing the clintons did was open the flood gates for the letting people in the country and putting them on foodstamps. So thanks bill and hillary.


these people, who aren't from here, and exploit the system can get food stamps, but I who am 150 percent below the poverty line dont "qualify" for them


I was going to call bullshit on that claim but then I looked at the Virginia income limits and now I'm depressed...might want to consider moving to Wva. though, single person household limit is 15k gross there.


I hear WVA is worse when it comes to housing though
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Well our system somehow expects that if you have any money that you can some how magically use it to pay multiple things with the same dollar. For example, if you made 600/month, they think that somehow you can pay your rent (which lets say is $600), then take it to the grocery store and buy food and household needs, and pay utilities all with the same money.


i know people who work 2 part jobs just to pay rent of $1456 mo. they get a welfare check of $653. they don't report their income because the two check cover the rent. they need the $653 to pay utilities and transportation and pay for stuff like toilet paper and soap. they get foodstamps too $150. they have education to get a good paying job but the good paying jobs just aren't around here. they're doing what they can to survive


Why can't they move? Or are you saying that no matter where they move they wouldn't be able to get good paying jobs? It use to be that if you couldn't afford living where you were, you moved to where you could afford to live.
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sundin13 wrote:

From what I can tell, SNAP (aka the food stamp program) has error rates at at all time low and trafficking has been cut by over 75% over the last 15 years. I'm not seeing the evidence that the system is in bad shape. Also, it is worth noting that illegal immigrants do not qualify for food stamps.



http://www.cbpp.org/research/snap-is-effective-and-efficient?fa=view&id=3239




The link you mentioned is almost 4 years old, covering a span of 15 prior years under different administrations, and comes from a source that has publicly admitted their bias. More than that it calculates criteria that has a gross, gross, percentage of error. It says only 1% of food stamps are being trafficked but there is no plausible way to truly tell how many get spent on crap like other posters mentioned, trading food for pot from their local dealer, trading stamps and crap for cigarettes, and it can't even begin to cover the amount of benificiaries who wrongly and fraudulently receive these benefits which is what most people contend is the problem, I don't believe there is really an accurate way to efficiently calculate that personally but this article misses the mark by miles. And to further my point about the out-dattedness of the article consider this is largely a population study based on information as far as 19 years ago as well as the fact that population growth often correlates more with exponential growths than steady linear increases as I understand it. The margin for error here is galaxies and admittedly biased.

I personally think it is in bad shape, I can see where you would disagree and have heard valid arguments against my opinion but this link is not one of them, and the fact that Runec jumped on the bandwagon for it should pretty much underscore that.
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DeadlyOats wrote:


sundin13 wrote:

From what I can tell, SNAP (aka the food stamp program) has error rates at at all time low and trafficking has been cut by over 75% over the last 15 years. I'm not seeing the evidence that the system is in bad shape. Also, it is worth noting that illegal immigrants do not qualify for food stamps.


There's a loophole. There are tons of illegal aliens on foodstamps, and they also get cash aid. They get it for their "American born kids." So, yeah, technically the illegal alien "isn't" getting the welfare benefits. The ones "getting" getting those benefits, are their "American"kids.

See how that works?


Thats not really a loophole, thats just how birthright citizenship works.


Come on now, we all know illegal aliens benefit from this, there is no denying it. His point is that illegal aliens who benefit are unaccounted for and he is correct, anything else is semantics.

But if you wanted to argue semantics you could also point out that illegal alien status impedes job availability a great deal, especially in high or even middle class workplaces. An overwhelming amount of time, alien status in the USA leads to poverty line income families and statistically children who are born into poverty families continue into poverty in their adult life. In other words, these American citizens receiving these benefits, qualify for them as a consequence (or at the very least a generous factor) of their parents illegal status, which still equates to an unjust drain on the contributing working class by illegal aliens. How significant this issue is, is debatable but that is the truth and what we all know he meant.
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sundin13 wrote:


DeadlyOats wrote:


sundin13 wrote:

From what I can tell, SNAP (aka the food stamp program) has error rates at at all time low and trafficking has been cut by over 75% over the last 15 years. I'm not seeing the evidence that the system is in bad shape. Also, it is worth noting that illegal immigrants do not qualify for food stamps.


There's a loophole. There are tons of illegal aliens on foodstamps, and they also get cash aid. They get it for their "American born kids." So, yeah, technically the illegal alien "isn't" getting the welfare benefits. The ones "getting" getting those benefits, are their "American"kids.

See how that works?


Thats not really a loophole, thats just how birthright citizenship works.


Come on now, we all know illegal aliens benefit from this, there is no denying it. His point is that illegal aliens who benefit are unaccounted for and he is correct, anything else is semantics.

But if you wanted to argue semantics you could also point out that illegal alien status impedes job availability a great deal, especially in high or even middle class workplaces. An overwhelming amount of time, alien status in the USA leads to poverty line income families and statistically children who are born into poverty families continue into poverty in their adult life. In other words, these American citizens receiving these benefits, qualify for them as a consequence (or at the very least a generous factor) of their parents illegal status, which still equates to an unjust drain on the contributing working class by illegal aliens. How significant this issue is, is debatable but that is the truth and what we all know he meant.


who is "he" here??
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The link you mentioned is almost 4 years old, covering a span of 15 prior years under different administrations, and comes from a source that has publicly admitted their bias. More than that it calculates criteria that has a gross, gross, percentage of error. It says only 1% of food stamps are being trafficked but there is no plausible way to truly tell how many get spent on crap like other posters mentioned, trading food for pot from their local dealer, trading stamps and crap for cigarettes, and it can't even begin to cover the amount of benificiaries who wrongly and fraudulently receive these benefits which is what most people contend is the problem, I don't believe there is really an accurate way to efficiently calculate that personally but this article misses the mark by miles. And to further my point about the out-dattedness of the article consider this is largely a population study based on information as far as 19 years ago as well as the fact that population growth often correlates more with exponential growths than steady linear increases as I understand it. The margin for error here is galaxies and admittedly biased.

I personally think it is in bad shape, I can see where you would disagree and have heard valid arguments against my opinion but this link is not one of them, and the fact that Runec jumped on the bandwagon for it should pretty much underscore that.


While you are right that things can still be traded outside of the SNAP system, that is something that would be impossible for the government to counteract. Essentially what I was arguing, was that the EBT system has somehow made things worse. By all measures I can find, there has been a pretty strong downward trend in the rates of trafficking and overpayment (aka, the people who don't qualify but still get food stamps). I have seen no evidence that this system is in a worse place now than it was back during Clinton's presidency.

Anyways, while I do agree that the USDA should do everything in their power to crack down on fraud, the system as a whole seems to be a net positive.
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Hrafna wrote:

I clicked on this other link, https://youtu.be/dakos9AkqYg?t=58s, where I was brought to the realization that Italians don't actually use words, but whine/cry when they communicate. See, here it is again at 1m10s.


Am from extremely Italian family, can confirm.
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