Post Reply Senator Harry Reid: Stop Blocking Bill to Criminalize Animal Abuse
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Since, as usual, you don't provide any context and just go for the clickbait thread:

The majority of the bill is about criminalizing the distribution of videos of a specific type of animal abuse. Animal abuse is, obviously, already illegal. Reid is objecting because they are voting to bypass the Senate Judicial Committee with the bill and put it straight to a vote. When they have mountains of other shit they're suppose to be doing that they've been sitting on for months.


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runec wrote:

Since, as usual, you don't provide any context and just go for the clickbait thread:

The majority of the bill is about criminalizing the distribution of videos of a specific type of animal abuse. Animal abuse is, obviously, already illegal. Reid is objecting because they are voting to bypass the Senate Judicial Committee with the bill and put it straight to a vote. When they have mountains of other shit they're suppose to be doing that they've been sitting on for months.




Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Penn.) was seeking a vote on a bill he introduced with Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) to make it a federal crime to commit the animal abuse known as "crushing." The move to vote on the bill was crushed - by Sen. Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.).

“The act specifically bans the most appalling forms of animal abuse often known as crushing,” Toomey said explaining the Prevent Animal Cruelty and Torture (PACT) Act. “This is when a deranged individual actually tortures and sexually assaults household pets for some perverse enjoyment that they get.”

“Stopping this kind of obscene animal abuse is not controversial at all, there are no Republicans objecting to this legislation, the next Democratic leader is a co-sponsor - Senator Schumer is a co-sponsor of this legislation. There are 27 Democratic co-sponsors.”




I don't see anywhere where it talks about people filming a video of animal obuse
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Reid wants the full process to be followed, because five years ago we rushed a law through Congress to ban selling the videos, and oh dear... we seem to have forgotten the part where we wanted to make what was ON the video illegal, too.

But we were in a hurry and we rushed it through both houses of Congress inside of six months and the end result was unsurprisingly sloppy. So Reid has this radical notion of hey, how about we maybe DON'T rush this bit through, and instead do a full review so we can fix everything and do it properly so it's not struck down as unconstitutional like the 1999 effort?

I mean, that's kind of the legislature's job.
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cdarklock wrote:

I mean, that's kind of the legislature's job.


I thought their job was to take reaaaaally long vacations...
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runec wrote:

Since, as usual, you don't provide any context and just go for the clickbait thread:

The majority of the bill is about criminalizing the distribution of videos of a specific type of animal abuse. Animal abuse is, obviously, already illegal. Reid is objecting because they are voting to bypass the Senate Judicial Committee with the bill and put it straight to a vote. When they have mountains of other shit they're suppose to be doing that they've been sitting on for months.




Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Penn.) was seeking a vote on a bill he introduced with Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) to make it a federal crime to commit the animal abuse known as "crushing." The move to vote on the bill was crushed - by Sen. Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.).

“The act specifically bans the most appalling forms of animal abuse often known as crushing,” Toomey said explaining the Prevent Animal Cruelty and Torture (PACT) Act. “This is when a deranged individual actually tortures and sexually assaults household pets for some perverse enjoyment that they get.”

“Stopping this kind of obscene animal abuse is not controversial at all, there are no Republicans objecting to this legislation, the next Democratic leader is a co-sponsor - Senator Schumer is a co-sponsor of this legislation. There are 27 Democratic co-sponsors.”




I don't see anywhere where it talks about people filming a video of animal obuse


I don't think we should take Change.Org Petition summaries at their word.
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runec wrote:

Animal abuse is, obviously, already illegal.


At the state level, in these instances. That creates complexity, which often means people who make money from animal cruelty go free or are punished too lightly. Defendants can also manipulate multi-jurisdictional red tape to get entire cases thrown out without trial.

Case in point: California will not extradite to other states in the case of nonviolent crimes unless they are a felony in both states. Animal cruelty is not defined as a violent crime in California, and in many states animal cruelty is a misdemeanor. So if you're in North Carolina and you're stepping on baby chickens to sell crush videos, you can be prosecuted on the Federal level for selling them, but if you just hightail it to California you can entirely evade prosecution for actually stepping on the chicks.

This bill is an effort to simplify the process so there's one trial instead of two. It's a good bill and it should be passed, but it should NOT be rushed - precisely BECAUSE what we are talking about here is just a few dozen cases that will be substantially more complicated.

It's not an issue like the 2010 crush video law, where for a short window of time, the people who made these videos could LEGALLY sell them nationwide. That bill needed to be rushed, and it was, and that was a Good Idea. Now we want the prosecution of these people simplified so we can justly punish more of them, because the guilty are going free through manipulating the system.

Toomey is a Republican. He thinks the guilty going free is a horrible thing, and he wants to prevent it.

Reid is a Democrat. He thinks the guilty going free is much less horrible than the innocent being punished unfairly, and he wants to prevent THAT.

They're both right. But Reid just wants to slow down and do a better job, and I approve of this idea. Toomey wants to crack down on these bastards who stomp on kittens, and I approve of that idea, too. But I think we can do both things.


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I don't think we should take Change.Org Petition summaries at their word.


If you care about the subject, it's not hard to do a little research. In 1999 we passed a law making these videos illegal. In April of 2010 the Supreme Court rules that the law was overbroad in its wording and infringed on the citizenry's first amendment rights. In September of 2010 we passed a new, more specific law. THAT'S REALLY FAST. And amazingly, we are now saying that when we passed that law... oops! We missed some rather important shit.

Of course, if you just want to be mad about something, you can go "WHARRGARBL Reid hates animals."
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redokami wrote:
I don't see anywhere where it talks about people filming a video of animal obuse


Sigh, your own link includes a link to CNS news which includes a link to the bill. -.-



cdarklock wrote:
Of course, if you just want to be mad about something, you can go "WHARRGARBL Reid hates animals."


You must be new here~


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CR should have a news and politics section. So I can avoid it.

But really, general chat used to be about fun and stupid stuff, not srs and politics. I hope we can have a news and politics section so many of us can browse the general chat and just revel in the pure stupid shit like we once did.
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