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Posted 10/19/16

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why is the usa seen as the hand that feeds here?


I was referring to Ecuador.
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The emails contain the paid speech transcripts and conversations between campaign officials and members of the media. It lends itself the the narrative that news organizations and Wall Street are all in for Hillary, outside of the typical campaign contributions and editorial endorsements. As if they are businesses ran and made of people who get their cues from Washington when it should be the other way around.


Paid speeches and conversations with members of the media aren't out of the norm. If RNC e-mails were similarly exposed, you'd see similar communications. Hence why politics is often referred to as making sausage. Hillary is getting so many endorsements because Trump has been riding off the rails for months, threatening civil liberties, being obscene, and showing blatant disregard for the responsibilities of the presidential office.
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MysticGon wrote:

The emails contain the paid speech transcripts and conversations between campaign officials and members of the media. It lends itself the the narrative that news organizations and Wall Street are all in for Hillary, outside of the typical campaign contributions and editorial endorsements. As if they are businesses ran and made of people who get their cues from Washington when it should be the other way around.


Paid speeches and conversations with members of the media aren't out of the norm. If RNC e-mails were similarly exposed, you'd see similar communications. Hence why politics is often referred to as making sausage. Hillary is getting so many endorsements because Trump has been riding off the rails for months, threatening civil liberties, being obscene, and showing blatant disregard for the responsibilities of the presidential office.


I understand that, but I also get the impression this was a forgone conclusion during the early days of the primaries at Bernie's expense.
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These are all great points on which to make and evidence to support the argument that a progressive revolution needs to happen in the party, and frankly that's exactly what I think ought to be done with this information, but none of it is surprising.


I think thats what gets me about all this. All the manufactured outrage that this is all somehow the worst thing literally ever and Hillary is the Devil. When its all pretty much "Yeah, that's about what I expected from US politics". Hillary is about as standard a US political as they come but somehow its the end of democracy as we know it?

I mean there are legitimate concerns about the way politics and business intertwine in the US that are in no way unique to Hillary but dragging said legitimate concerns into conspiracy theories undermines said legitimacy. The more people ( Trump ) push a crazed overreaction to this the easier it is for the general public ( and politicians ) to shrug it off as such. Instead of generating the political will to do anything to change it.

The reaction to the problem is going to prevent the problem from being addressed.



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go ahead and keep telling yourself that they dont manipulate polls

this is what the real distribution looks like before the hillary bots get at it

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RaisedInACult wrote:

go ahead and keep telling yourself that they dont manipulate polls

this is what the real distribution looks like before the hillary bots get at it



You know, the only thing sadder than you thinking the "real" distribution has Trump at 79% is you thinking it has Jill Stein at 13%. >.>

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MysticGon wrote:

I understand that, but I also get the impression this was a forgone conclusion during the early days of the primaries at Bernie's expense.


Hillary being the DNC's pick, especially after Biden declined to run, was so open that calling it a hidden secret wouldn't do it justice. Bernie's biggest hurdle wasn't the DNC backing Hillary, it was how long it took him to switch from a platform to push issues to a serious contender. The loss of attention to early voters and early primaries hurt any chances he had of carrying through to the convention.

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You know, the only thing sadder than you thinking the "real" distribution has Trump at 79% is you thinking it has Jill Stein at 13%. >.>



Sorry that goes against what the TV told you
Posted 10/19/16

qwueri wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

I understand that, but I also get the impression this was a forgone conclusion during the early days of the primaries at Bernie's expense.


Hillary being the DNC's pick, especially after Biden declined to run, was so open that calling it a hidden secret wouldn't do it justice. Bernie's biggest hurdle wasn't the DNC backing Hillary, it was how long it took him to switch from a platform to push issues to a serious contender. The loss of attention to early voters and early primaries hurt any chances he had of carrying through to the convention.



You seriously believe that, after it was proven they electorally defrauded Bernie?
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qwueri wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

I understand that, but I also get the impression this was a forgone conclusion during the early days of the primaries at Bernie's expense.


Hillary being the DNC's pick, especially after Biden declined to run, was so open that calling it a hidden secret wouldn't do it justice. Bernie's biggest hurdle wasn't the DNC backing Hillary, it was how long it took him to switch from a platform to push issues to a serious contender. The loss of attention to early voters and early primaries hurt any chances he had of carrying through to the convention.



Either that or the superdelegates piling on at the start of the race and stuff like this...

http://ijr.com/2016/10/715169-horrified-jake-tapper-responds-to-wikileaks-emails-that-expose-donna-brazile-as-clinton-mole/

The lack of media attention and the targeting of his candidacy also hurt his chances in my view.
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qwueri wrote:
Hillary being the DNC's pick, especially after Biden declined to run, was so open that calling it a hidden secret wouldn't do it justice. Bernie's biggest hurdle wasn't the DNC backing Hillary, it was how long it took him to switch from a platform to push issues to a serious contender. The loss of attention to early voters and early primaries hurt any chances he had of carrying through to the convention.


Not to mention he's actually an independent who just joined the Democratic Party so he could run for president with their infrastructure. I don't know why anyone thought the DNC would move to support him over Hillary. I mean, I like the guy but lets be real here.





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Sorry that goes against what the TV told you


Dude, seriously. Jill Stein. I mean, pushing a Trump poll conspiracy is one thing. But pushing one that has Trump and Stein as the front runners? Hah. Is she becoming a darling on Infowars for pandering to conspiracy nuts? ;p

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Either that or the superdelegates piling on at the start of the race and stuff like this...

http://ijr.com/2016/10/715169-horrified-jake-tapper-responds-to-wikileaks-emails-that-expose-donna-brazile-as-clinton-mole/

The lack of media attention and the targeting of his candidacy also hurt his chances in my view.


Superdelegates are free to choose who they want, when they want, and even without them Clinton won the popular vote.

If the worst Clinton did to Sanders was learn about his attack lines and debate questions early, that's a far cry from campaign sabotage.
Posted 10/19/16 , edited 10/19/16

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Dude, seriously. Jill Stein. I mean, pushing a Trump poll conspiracy is one thing. But pushing one that has Trump and Stein as the front runners? Hah. Is she becoming a darling on Infowars for pandering to conspiracy nuts? ;p



Are you aware that appeal to incredulity is a logical fallacy?


and here, if impartial and stein/johnson arent there - 86/14 for DT

https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU7/status/788765321230299136


oh but that cant be right, cnn told me otherwise LOL

stay away from the wikileaks and let CNN interpret them for you
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qwueri wrote:


MysticGon wrote:


Either that or the superdelegates piling on at the start of the race and stuff like this...

http://ijr.com/2016/10/715169-horrified-jake-tapper-responds-to-wikileaks-emails-that-expose-donna-brazile-as-clinton-mole/

The lack of media attention and the targeting of his candidacy also hurt his chances in my view.


Superdelegates are free to choose who they want, when they want, and even without them Clinton won the popular vote.

If the worst Clinton did to Sanders was learn about his attack lines and debate questions early, that's a far cry from campaign sabotage.


Yeah well, shutting the whole Sanders campaign out of the DNC email list because of the misdeed of one staffer shows there was no love for Bernie from early on. Only after they saw how much support he generated with young voters did they even consider reaching out to him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dnc-sanders-campaign-improperly-accessed-clinton-voter-data/2015/12/17/a2e2e14e-a522-11e5-b53d-972e2751f433_story.html
Posted 10/19/16

qwueri wrote:


MysticGon wrote:


Either that or the superdelegates piling on at the start of the race and stuff like this...

http://ijr.com/2016/10/715169-horrified-jake-tapper-responds-to-wikileaks-emails-that-expose-donna-brazile-as-clinton-mole/

The lack of media attention and the targeting of his candidacy also hurt his chances in my view.


Superdelegates are free to choose who they want, when they want, and even without them Clinton won the popular vote.

If the worst Clinton did to Sanders was learn about his attack lines and debate questions early, that's a far cry from campaign sabotage.


DNC Chair Donna Brazille told Podesta 7 months before Hillary had the nomination that she was 100% in the tank for hillary and would help publicly once Bernie was out of the way. Hillary never had a chance without superdelegates and electoral/voter fraud
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