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A lot of the time, I keep on realizing that for some of the things I want to do if I really want them I need to build and maintain a foundation in order to do them with more ease and enjoyment.
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Can't say I really have. Well I've made a few mistakes in my life none of them are ones I actually regret nor ones I'd choose . And they've been far and few in between to boot. I was taught to thoroughly think through any decision before making it. As a result I've little in the way of regrets or wasted time in my life.

Honestly I've always thought people are too quick to rush into things and too quick to abandon them when hardships rear their head. Patience, Foresight, and determination are lacking virtues these days.
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Ranwolf wrote:

Can't say I really have. Well I've made a few mistakes in my life none of them are ones I actually regret nor ones I'd choose . And they've been far and few in between to boot. I was taught to thoroughly think through any decision before making it. As a result I've little in the way of regrets or wasted time in my life.

Honestly I've always thought people are too quick to rush into things and too quick to abandon them when hardships rear their head. Patience, Foresight, and determination are lacking virtues these days.


I feel like I was jumping the gun when I was trying to write my novel. Maybe I just lack patience and determination for it. Or maybe it's just not for me to write a military science-fiction novel.
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Let me just say that I was in the process of working on a military science-fiction novel and came to realization that I was not ready for it. I can't write something that I know nothing about and researching it was a task onto itself. So I decided to give up on it and focus on something more simple.


Military sci-fi is really tricky since you face not only story critique but reality critique from actual experts on the subject. However, if you had a good plot framework and characters there's no need to jettison it all. Rework your setting so you don't have such a burden of technical proof on your work.

If its sci-fi, move further forward in the future so you can imagine tech instead of study it. If its heavy geopolitics, scale it down to a single country or city. If its heavy historical politics, dump Earth entirely. Set it on a frontier world where the tech is limited due to distance from earth and limited resources. Set it on a totally different planet in a different dimension if you have too. Just move the lever over from "Research" to "Imagine" as far as you need to in order to feel comfortable writing again.

If the real world ties are ruining your story, then cut them. Writing is an evolving process that has to go back just as much as forward. Practically no one gets their novel "right" on the first draft.
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Do something that is comfortable for you and you are happy with it.
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qualeshia3 wrote:
Let me just say that I was in the process of working on a military science-fiction novel and came to realization that I was not ready for it. I can't write something that I know nothing about and researching it was a task onto itself. So I decided to give up on it and focus on something more simple.


Military sci-fi is really tricky since you face not only story critique but reality critique from actual experts on the subject. However, if you had a good plot framework and characters there's no need to jettison it all. Rework your setting so you don't have such a burden of technical proof on your work.

If its sci-fi, move further forward in the future so you can imagine tech instead of study it. If its heavy geopolitics, scale it down to a single country or city. If its heavy historical politics, dump Earth entirely. Set it on a frontier world where the tech is limited due to distance from earth and limited resources. Set it on a totally different planet in a different dimension if you have too. Just move the lever over from "Research" to "Imagine" as far as you need to in order to feel comfortable writing again.

If the real world ties are ruining your story, then cut them. Writing is an evolving process that has to go back just as much as forward. Practically no one gets their novel "right" on the first draft.


Thank you.
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Thank you.


Welcome. I write myself so I know the struggles well. Especially when I first started writing longer stuff. You think you should be able to just write it start to finish in one go and if it doesn't work out like that you start doubting you're doing it right. Or doubting your ideas are any good. But really, no author does it like that unless they're some sort of savant.

I blame English class for teaching us you write start to finish and if you end up needing to rewrite something you failed. -.-

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qualeshia3 wrote:
Thank you.


Welcome. I write myself so I know the struggles well. Especially when I first started writing longer stuff. You think you should be able to just write it start to finish in one go and if it doesn't work out like that you start doubting you're doing it right. Or doubting your ideas are any good. But really, no author does it like that unless they're some sort of savant.

I blame English class for teaching us you write start to finish and if you end up needing to rewrite something you failed. -.-



Yeah. I just decided to push it to the side and focus on something simpler. I might go back to working on a military science-fiction novel in the future. But as for now I just want to write something more simpler.


I'm working on a novella now. I am trying to think of a good plot for it. But it is hard doing that.
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So my real question for all of you is; Have you ever thought about doing something different but realize it was a big mistake as you were doing it?



All the time. If you're at all stretching your abilities, you'll find yourself neck-deep in a mistake more often than not.


While researching for my novel, I came to the realization that this was a mistake and I was better off trying something else. I felt like I was getting nowhere and it bothered me. Plus it was hard work. Maybe I am lazy but I just didn't want to go through with it. I'm thinking about working on something simpler for the time being.


SAVE IT.

I have a book I've been working on for twelve years. I got to a part about three chapters in where I need to connect the dots between "Alain is being chased by the city watch of Greywind" and "Alain flees to the minor hamlet of Jorelle where he is taken in by a local wizard." There are several problems to solve here, primarily that Alain is new to the city and knows neither how to escape it nor that Jorelle would be a safe place, plus why the hell would anyone take him in. I could handwave it with random chance, but come on. That's cheating. I need a better solution.

I don't have one yet, but every few months I pull it out and think about it a little. I have faith that one day, I will solve the problem and get Alain to Jorelle, whereupon the story can continue and I might actually finish the book.


I have no idea what to write for a novella. I need to start planning better.


It's really pretty simple.

Once upon a time, there were some happy people.

One day, something terrible happened!

They tried to fix it, but they just made it worse!

So they ran away, where they met some other people who could help.

Then they learned an important lesson, and tried something else with their new friends.

It worked! And everybody was happy again.

The core messages of every good story are "bad things happen to good people, it's okay to fuck up, make new friends, learn new things, never give up." If you can write 20 pages of entertaining narrative around each of those steps, you can get published.

For the master class, read Joseph Campbell's "The Hero With a Thousand Faces." Twice.
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qualeshia3 wrote:

So my real question for all of you is; Have you ever thought about doing something different but realize it was a big mistake as you were doing it?



All the time. If you're at all stretching your abilities, you'll find yourself neck-deep in a mistake more often than not.


While researching for my novel, I came to the realization that this was a mistake and I was better off trying something else. I felt like I was getting nowhere and it bothered me. Plus it was hard work. Maybe I am lazy but I just didn't want to go through with it. I'm thinking about working on something simpler for the time being.


SAVE IT.

I have a book I've been working on for twelve years. I got to a part about three chapters in where I need to connect the dots between "Alain is being chased by the city watch of Greywind" and "Alain flees to the minor hamlet of Jorelle where he is taken in by a local wizard." There are several problems to solve here, primarily that Alain is new to the city and knows neither how to escape it nor that Jorelle would be a safe place, plus why the hell would anyone take him in. I could handwave it with random chance, but come on. That's cheating. I need a better solution.

I don't have one yet, but every few months I pull it out and think about it a little. I have faith that one day, I will solve the problem and get Alain to Jorelle, whereupon the story can continue and I might actually finish the book.


I have no idea what to write for a novella. I need to start planning better.


It's really pretty simple.

Once upon a time, there were some happy people.

One day, something terrible happened!

They tried to fix it, but they just made it worse!

So they ran away, where they met some other people who could help.

Then they learned an important lesson, and tried something else with their new friends.

It worked! And everybody was happy again.

The core messages of every good story are "bad things happen to good people, it's okay to fuck up, make new friends, learn new things, never give up." If you can write 20 pages of entertaining narrative around each of those steps, you can get published.

For the master class, read Joseph Campbell's "The Hero With a Thousand Faces." Twice.


Thank you.
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Or I can try and make the novel less of a military sci-fi and more fantasy with some sci-fi elements.
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Or I can try and make the novel less of a military sci-fi and more fantasy with some sci-fi elements.


One of the things I commonly do in SF is have my main characters just generally clueless about the details... not because I can't explain them, but because hardly anybody reading it gives a damn. It's like a balancing act between science FICTION and science FANTASY, where you don't want to handwave it and say "it just works" - but you also don't want to write forty pages about the underlying theory. So you have your protagonist say something vague and then admit he doesn't really understand it, and it makes him sound like a real person. Most people use things all day long that they don't really understand.
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Every damn day, but hay it's cool because wether it's the devils luck or skill shit always seems to line up for me in the end and I don't hesitate to fully manipulate it. It's really quite beautiful what I can get away with.
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But, it's science fiction so can't you just make up anything and have fun with it?
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That's science fantasy.
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