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Posted 10/23/16 , edited 10/23/16
The Switch seems like a pretty interesting concept at least moreso than the WiiU. While I did end up enjoying quite a few WiiU games during the cycle, the releases were too far and few between. Don't care much for third party support since I haven't viewed Nintendo as a main console since the days of the Gamecube and just want quality First party Nintendo games that I've grown to love since the SNES days.

I'll definitely get the Switch and prays this gen turns out better than the WiiU. My PS4 will continue being my main gaming console/media center.
My only main concern is how they're planning to deal with the 3DS down the road. Nintendo can gamble on one of their main products flopping but if it's the true successor to the home and portable consoles then Nintendo is really taking a huge gamble.

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Posted 10/23/16 , edited 10/23/16
Things confirmed already

Docking Station is only used for outputting game footage to your television & charging the tablet. There's apparently no hardware that'll give the tablet some sort of performance boost.

Nintendo Switch will not be backwards compatible w/ Wii U & 3DS games (sort of a given, hopefully they'll port some of their Wii U games over)

Things that are concerning

Battery life; if their main focus is having this thing portable (which you can't tell me it's not, more than 50% of their reveal trailer was highlighting the mobility aspect), how long will this thing last? It's already rumored to be only a few hours and if we want to go by our past rumors about what the Nintendo NX was (which were pretty accurate), I don't think this is too far fetched.

Power; so if the docking station is no more than a charging unit & a television connector, how much power does this tablet have...? The only information we have is that they're teaming up w/ Nvidia for a custom made Tegra chip, but that could be anything really. In reality, this isn't even a console...it's just a fancy tablet? If this thing isn't as powerful as the PS4 & Xbox One at the very least, then the device itself is being held back by Nintendo's gimmicks again.

Skyrim & NBA 2K17 aren't confirmed for the Nintendo Switch. I get it, this could be some sort of PR thing, but it also could be just their way of conveying that they're partnering up? Nintendo did this same exact thing w/ their Wii U videos, showing game footage of games that never even made it over to the system.





Nintendo, I want you to win me back as a consumer again. Please don't screw this up.
Posted 10/23/16 , edited 10/23/16
It's the Tegra X SoC the X1 clocked in at about 1 TFLOPS and was based on Maxwell, for comparison the PS4 is 1.84. So a little less than half as powerful in raw computational capacity. If it uses the X2 based on Pascal it will get a slight performance boost.

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/08/22/parker-for-self-driving-cars/

So 1.5 TFLOPs, still a bit slower than the PS4 and faster than the XBox One (1.3) depending on what if any changes they make for Nintendo's console.



So basically Nintendo's spin on an NVidia Shield style device.
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Posted 10/24/16
i've already put down my preorder. I just know this is gonna be LIT.
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Posted 10/24/16
PS3 is reported to be around .4 teraflops, which means the Switch is expected to be over 2x faster. for a console of those dimensions, that's rather impressive. i wonder how the device will handle the heat though. if the console generates too much heat, it could pose a hazard to the battery, and we really don't need another battery catching fire. Samsung already gave plenty of those already.
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Posted 10/24/16
I may buy Switch, but not when it comes out in March, but when time's right. However good or great it may be, i play it for some time but i'll stick to PS consoles. Sorry about that. I still respect Nintendo.

And what i saw in the trailer was a new 3D Mario(?) game in some weird city-like structure. And also, new Mario Kart?! Yay, they're my favorites. King Boo is (probably) back. And Double items? Nice. But wish they could make Double Dash 2. I'm just saying.
Posted 10/24/16 , edited 10/24/16

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PS3 is reported to be around .4 teraflops, which means the Switch is expected to be over 2x faster. for a console of those dimensions, that's rather impressive. i wonder how the device will handle the heat though. if the console generates too much heat, it could pose a hazard to the battery, and we really don't need another battery catching fire. Samsung already gave plenty of those already.


I am sure the chip has power management and on die temp sensors. Also, Nintendo will probably put aluminum etc in there to act as a heat sink and maybe a micro fan depending how thick it is. They'll have to submit it to the FCC for EMI compliance before it releases in the U.S and they do tear downs and post pictures as part of the process. If some wanted to know what the guts look like they could keep an eye out for submissions by Nintendo. You can find images of Nvidia's Shield I'd imagine construction some what similar.

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I'm probably going to get one just so I can play N64 game's on the go finally. Of course I'll be getting some of the game's coming out for it too. I also think It's neat that the Switch pretty much gives you the option on whether or not you want to use it as a home console or a handheld console.
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namealreadytaken wrote:

PS3 is reported to be around .4 teraflops, which means the Switch is expected to be over 2x faster. for a console of those dimensions, that's rather impressive. i wonder how the device will handle the heat though. if the console generates too much heat, it could pose a hazard to the battery, and we really don't need another battery catching fire. Samsung already gave plenty of those already.


No....

Teraflops means absolutely nothing (Shader Cores times Clock Speed) take that then multiply it by instructions per clock = Teraflops

What this formula doesn't take into account is shader core performance will increase the same can be said about the APU. Each generation will improve efficiency which raises performance without having to raise clock speed.

The Xbox One is 1.3 Teraflops
The PS4 is 1.8 Teraflops

They are both relatively comparable because they use the same APU architecture (they are virtually the same thing so the performance is relative.) You do not have to worry about architectural differences as they both use the same chip at its heart. The PS4's chip has more streaming cores but the shader cores used between both are exactly the same. Only difference is the number of them,

For example my PC has a EVGA 980ti Classified it has a teraflop rating of 6.1

AMD's high end GPU is the Fury X it has a teraflop rating of 8.6

So on paper it appears the Fury X is at least 30% better right?

Well yes on paper it does look that way however what is doesn't take into account is the different architectural efficiency of both cards.
Not only is my 980ti better then the Fury X its a whole tier above the Fury X. This is why comparing Teraflops is pointless, unless both consoles (like the PS4 and Xbox One) are designed on the same architecture then it really doesn't translate into much useful information.
Posted 10/24/16 , edited 10/24/16
I think you are confusing instructions per second and floating point operations per second (also should be FLOP per cycle not instruction). While TFLOPS are not the only factor affecting performance or even the only measure of it, they do provide a basis for comparison that is applicable across different architectures and unaffected by variability in software quality. Considering there is no actual game performance data available yet, it's the best we can do interms how it might perform.


http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/high-performance-computing/w/wiki/2329
Posted 10/24/16

namealreadytaken wrote:

PS3 is reported to be around .4 teraflops, which means the Switch is expected to be over 2x faster. for a console of those dimensions, that's rather impressive. i wonder how the device will handle the heat though. if the console generates too much heat, it could pose a hazard to the battery, and we really don't need another battery catching fire. Samsung already gave plenty of those already.


That isnt much to justify the power, the Switch will hardly be as powerful as the Xbox One its underpowered the only developers that will get the juice on the Switch to good use is Nintendo.

The Switch wont last long on battery either it just should had remained a Home Console instead of this portable stuff its nothing more than a tablet.
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its nothing more than a tablet.


I seriously do not understand why people are calling it a console either, I don't even know why Nintendo is. This is literally just a fancy tablet that has the ability to plug into your television. I'll give it the benefit of the doubt, it can possibly be as powerful as the base models of the PS4 or Xbox One, but nothing more. A custom tegra chip by Nvidia raises a lot of questions, considering this is custom and will not be found anywhere else on the market. The battery is also a concern, since it will take up room of the tablet. This is Nintendo's last chance to succeed and if they don't, they will move on to be 3rd party publishers.
Posted 10/24/16

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NEXT2NEXT2 wrote:

its nothing more than a tablet.


I seriously do not understand why people are calling it a console either, I don't even know why Nintendo is. This is literally just a fancy tablet that has the ability to plug into your television. I'll give it the benefit of the doubt, it can possibly be as powerful as the base models of the PS4 or Xbox One, but nothing more. A custom tegra chip by Nvidia raises a lot of questions, considering this is custom and will not be found anywhere else on the market. The battery is also a concern, since it will take up room of the tablet. This is Nintendo's last chance to succeed and if they don't, they will move on to be 3rd party publishers.


Its just a Tablet its not a console and when it comes to the power i dont see it working or even on par to the Xbox One it be lucky to be very close to the Xbox One.

When it comes to the Nintendo they simply do not make powerful machines, im a developer i delt with the Wii U in the past i cant say much because the console is still being supported by Nintendo but when it comes to the Wii U its advantage was the CPU and for the GPU im pretty sure its a 4650 I doubt they reveal the specs of the Switch and i can guarantee it will be under powered.

The Switch must be im sure 3GB of RAM and the Devkits are 4GB of RAM, when i had my Wii U DevKit it was only 3GB of RAM.

Dont expect much out of it im not even interested in Nintendo anymore there to me anyway good as gone, it just does not work devs want power now with PS4 Pro and Scorpio............... Its already dead..
Posted 10/24/16 , edited 10/24/16
The definition of a console isn't all that specific. It's a consumer grade device designed primarily for playing video games. Tablet usually implies a more general purpose devices and usually a touch screen which the Switch lacks.
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Posted 10/24/16
it's more of a mobile console than an actual home console. there's a reason the commercial focused on being able to take Switch anywhere with you. being able to connect with the TV and use it as a home console was only an after-thought - a "cool, i can also connect to my TV".
you can't use a ps4 or an xbox one while stuck in a plane, for example. i guess, for those who don't travel a lot, it can be a bit of a disappointment, since you'll just use it at home anyways.

if anything, this is more of a successor to the 3ds and, if they price it right, it will compete with iOS and android games.
Nintendo's rival was never really Microsoft or Sony - it was Apple and Google. Nintendo's main consumers are not the hardcore, "i need more fps/4k games / realistic graphics" type of audience, but rather casual players that just want to have fun with their friends and family.
Nintendo knows their target audience, which is why they even plan to release Mario run for both platforms (iOS / android), to try and get back some of the lost target audience.
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