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Posted 10/23/16
I've tried multiple times in the past but I'm really bad at memorization. I can pick up words and phrases but that's about it, once you get to a lot of conversation or text then I'm totally out of it. It's always been that way, I had to take four years of Spanish way back in high school and I was really bad at that too. I forgot what little I did retain in the year after graduating.
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IshokuOsero wrote:

I've tried multiple times in the past but I'm really bad at memorization. I can pick up words and phrases but that's about it, once you get to a lot of conversation or text then I'm totally out of it. It's always been that way, I had to take four years of Spanish way back in high school and I was really bad at that too. I forgot what little I did retain in the year after graduating.


Did you genuinely enjoy Spanish though? There's a huge difference when you study about matters you really have interest in. As for Japanese, it's always helpful to start with the basics. Memorization and then dumping doesn't work becase you're not really studying to pass an exam (even if you are). What you're trying to do by learning a language is internalizing it in order to communicate your thoughts into words and vice versa. That said, you still have to go through the whole process from the start and there no shortcuts. Learning your hiragana, katakana, basic sentence structures, conjugation, and a few nouns and verbs at a time. Try to utilize the limited vocabulary you've learned in order to truly internalize them instead of memorizing new ones and just forgetting them again.
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IshokuOsero wrote:

I've tried multiple times in the past but I'm really bad at memorization. I can pick up words and phrases but that's about it, once you get to a lot of conversation or text then I'm totally out of it. It's always been that way, I had to take four years of Spanish way back in high school and I was really bad at that too. I forgot what little I did retain in the year after graduating.


Did you genuinely enjoy Spanish though? There's a huge difference when you study about matters you really have interest in. As for Japanese, it's always helpful to start with the basics. Memorization and then dumping doesn't work becase you're not really studying to pass an exam (even if you are). What you're trying to do by learning a language is internalizing it in order to communicate your thoughts into words and vice versa. That said, you still have to go through the whole process from the start and there no shortcuts. Learning your hiragana, katakana, basic sentence structures, conjugation, and a few nouns and verbs at a time. Try to utilize the limited vocabulary you've learned in order to truly internalize them instead of memorizing new ones and just forgetting them again.


Yeah I really did try. I've never been good with things like that though. With Japanese the times I've tried to learn it I started with the kana and then moved to kanji, learned from beginner books and tried different programs and flash cards too. I was really invested for quite some time. In the end I gave up. Some people just suck at languages, I'm one of them. Maybe... and that's a big maybe, I'd be better if I had full immersion in Japan, but of course that's not going to happen. But it'd probably be the only way I would even have a hope of learning.
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IshokuOsero wrote:


AlastorCrow wrote:


IshokuOsero wrote:

I've tried multiple times in the past but I'm really bad at memorization. I can pick up words and phrases but that's about it, once you get to a lot of conversation or text then I'm totally out of it. It's always been that way, I had to take four years of Spanish way back in high school and I was really bad at that too. I forgot what little I did retain in the year after graduating.


Did you genuinely enjoy Spanish though? There's a huge difference when you study about matters you really have interest in. As for Japanese, it's always helpful to start with the basics. Memorization and then dumping doesn't work becase you're not really studying to pass an exam (even if you are). What you're trying to do by learning a language is internalizing it in order to communicate your thoughts into words and vice versa. That said, you still have to go through the whole process from the start and there no shortcuts. Learning your hiragana, katakana, basic sentence structures, conjugation, and a few nouns and verbs at a time. Try to utilize the limited vocabulary you've learned in order to truly internalize them instead of memorizing new ones and just forgetting them again.


Yeah I really did try. I've never been good with things like that though. With Japanese the times I've tried to learn it I started with the kana and then moved to kanji, learned from beginner books and tried different programs and flash cards too. I was really invested for quite some time. In the end I gave up. Some people just suck at languages, I'm one of them. Maybe... and that's a big maybe, I'd be better if I had full immersion in Japan, but of course that's not going to happen. But it'd probably be the only way I would even have a hope of learning.


One of my teachers uses something called TPRS (Teaching Proficiency Through Reading and Storytelling). He teaches on italki and is also someone who learned Japanese as a 2nd language. It might be helpful in your case.
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For the main, time, which includes time management/self-discipline which I am really bad at so not a good self-learner!

A couple of years ago I did attend a Japanese language taster session, with a view to taking up the course - anyone was much younger than me and seemed to learn so much faster - I was honestly too daunted to return...
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I've self studied Japanese for 3 or 4 years now and can follow and respond well enough in casual conversation, watch shows or the news and get the basics of what's going on, and read through grade school level materials with relative ease. With that being said, I felt I hit a wall in terms of being able to teach myself, needing more structure and actual input as to what I'm doing right or wrong or what I should be doing. Everyone constantly says to find a Japanese person to speak with, but where I live that is actually quite difficult. As for the internet, I have enough trouble keeping a conversation going with people I know let alone a perfect stranger thousands of miles away from a completely different background.

If resources and time weren't an issue it'd be a different story but unless I literally have a Japanese person move in next door I don't see any viable reason to go out of my way to continue learning; my day to day life has no reliance on Japanese at all. I'll probably just keep chugging along, picking up bits and pieces until I'm satisfied with my understanding of the language. Maybe it's more of an issue of just not being able to put myself out there or procrastination, at this point, not sure myself lol.
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I'm interested in learning languages in general, especially in learning japanese. But why haven't I done this already? Because it's hard to motivate yourself to learn things that require a lot of effort, people should know this.

I mean, most people have a hard time in school, which are things that actually help you progress in your life and actually are mandatory. So learning non-mandatory things that you don't really need to do (which as well requires more effort than school itself) is therefore without a doubt something most people won't do.


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Effort.

Also, I would feel like a disgusting weeb.





guitarzim22 wrote:

1. I'd feel like a weeaboo.


Why?

Trying to talk japanese and throwing typical anime terms in public possibly gives a "weeaboo" impression. But actually putting in the effort to learn the language is like the opposite of a weeaboo.
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Good for you and yes it all boils down to laziness. I want to learn Japanese but I don't want to put in he effort to learn it lol. Isn't that always the case? There's also the fear of failure and it's just easier at times not to attempt something and stay static even though you'd like to move forward and try new things. I am my worst enemy and my road blocks are many.
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Cuz we don't have the technology to automatically upload the Japanese language into your head yet.
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Trying to self study during my free time using an online Learning Japanese application though it's quite limited.
Anyway, the reason why I'm not yet learning Japanese formally is... because of my busy schedule.
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Because n* be worshiping that rosetta stone like it's a god or something.
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No purpose
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RoachSandeson wrote:

what is keeping you from entering the amazing world of Japanese?


Having a life.

Seriously, there's not enough time in my day for all the stuff I want or need to do, and speaking Japanese isn't even close to the top of the list. Once I take care of everything else, I have a dozen or so things I could do, and Japanese is just one of them. But the payoff of learning slightly better Japanese is very low - at best, I understand one or two more words I hear in various anime. It's a higher return than learning slightly better Russian, but not high enough to displace learning slightly better maths. I use maths every day. I use Japanese every week. I use Russian... every two or three years, maybe? Regardless, learning Japanese is just not a priority.

Now, at the moment, I'm looking for a way to turn my four-hour work week into a zero-hour work week, which makes it about a sixty-hour work week. Once I crack that particular nut, I'll probably have at least SOME of that ten hours a day to put toward Japanese. So in about two years or so, a lot of my time commitments will drop away and leave room for more stuff. Plus, I miss Osaka and would like to go back for a visit. So once I can see a clear path to that trip, the value of better Japanese will go up, and I'll put more time and energy into it.

It really all comes down to economics. Time is money; we get a 24 hour allowance every day, and we spend it on the things we want most that day. I can't afford any serious study of Japanese right now, but I have a substantial collection of reference materials that will come in handy when I can. I tend to have more money than time, which is honestly a pretty good place to be.
Posted 10/24/16
Not interested enough to overcome the difficulty.
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Because n* be worshiping that rosetta stone like it's a god or something.


I have yet to meet a single person who learned Japanese through Rosetta Stone. That thing is pure overpriced garbage in terms of learning a language. I have no idea how in the fuck did it ever get popular. They sure as fucking balls have an excellent marketing team but I'm afraid the magic ends there. I tried a "free" version of it and deleted it the same night. It's so fucking useless and slow you're better off reading common tourist phrases off the internet. You can get a pdf of an actual textbook used in colleges or go through Tae Kim's website to get started. Hell, even the $10 app on the playstore called Human Japanese would teach you more than spending hundreds of dollars on Rosetta Stone's horse shit program. That thing is designed to make any weeaboo feel like they can "speak" Japanese by saying "KONEEECHEEWAAAH O GENKI DESU KA?! ".
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