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These aren't broad generalizations. These are observations, which means I've only run across a relative limited number of users in this forum (of course... I'm not going to interact with thousands in here) and this represents the limited experience based on that limited number of people.

Users older than me have never asked "what I do". I myself only asked somebody that ONE time when I got really annoyed while discussing daylight savings time and the other person insisted on switching to solar time on solar dials... I've never asked again, since. Users older than me appears to know that people's occupation have ZERO to do with what people talk about, unless it's literally a thread about what people do for a living or something like that.

Users older than me don't volunteer what they do, either. This is pretty consistent with people I meet even at work. A couple of months ago I found out that someone who I've known for years helped defined how Linux worked at the time of its definition, and I found out only because it was his retirement party and the factoid slipped out when he was giving this one anecdote. My jaw dropped. All these years I've never asked much about his work while talking with him at company "fun events" because I generally tried not to talk about work while not at work. Darn, I sort of regret that now... or not.

I haven't really run into a user older than me that has a big head. I think it's probably because of them having similar experiences such as I had and is still having, which is working with people 10 times smarter than me. I've literally felt dumb and clueless (and still gets to do that sometimes, because there is way too much to learn about everything), which leads to humility. When I was just getting started out of college, I admit I had a really, big, head. Oh, I've "accomplished" so much. Oh, I've "come to town". LOL so what?! I am oh-so-knowledgeable. NOT. For every person I run into anywhere on the street there's at least 10 others 10 times smarter than me somewhere, many probably in plain sight but they never advertise themselves. I've come to "know my place", which is a very ordinary one.

I haven't really seen an older user employ any kind of ageism in the forums, saying anything like "Oh you're younger so you don't know anything". On the other hand, I've had users younger than me trying to discredit me and outright attack me using my age, saying that "you don't belong here" or "what are you doing here"... Well guess what... I do what everybody else do in GD, either trying to have fun by discussing random tidbits of news / non-news or basically talking about random crap that galled them at one time or another like I'm doing here (how's that for a summary of GD?) Of course, I've had my small shares of what could be seen as crotchetiness in the past (or even NOW, as in this very post that I'm writing right now) but those weren't episodes of random lash-outs:



That's pretty much it. Other than that, they seem to have a longer fuse than I do. Just I wait, I'll get one yet!

/semi-typical GD post
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I feel like now, more than ever, the anime community should be more accepting of everyone else around them. But it feels like now, more than ever, we've been getting a lot of new fans that just want to create drama and put others down, and I think that's a really sad thing. I've seen it at events I go to as well as on forums like this, and it feels like people were a lot more accepting and less judgmental of those around them in years past. It feels like (and I suppose is probably true) we've gone from being the niche fanbase where everyone accepts everyone else regardless of age and social status, to being this huge disaster of immature people that just want to start crap and act superior to everyone else. You can't even go to events and cosplay with beginner quality outfits anymore without a ton of people jumping all over it not being the best outfit ever, it's gross.
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really? people of the older generation always ask me what i do but i never ask what they do.. or did

ageism... lol... throw that in the pit with other "isms" if u please. that's something the younger generation would say
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really? people of the older generation always ask me what i do but i never ask what they do.. or did

ageism... lol... throw that in the pit with other "isms" if u please. that's something the younger generation would say


...but the term is from 1969

Rankism would be "something the younger generation would say"
Posted 10/25/16 , edited 10/26/16
I never ask people what they do for a living, it seems too personal.


nanikore2 wrote:

For every person I run into anywhere on the street there's at least 10 others 10 times smarter than me somewhere, many probably in plain sight but they never advertise themselves.


This is exactly the kind of mindset I have. But I guess my low self-esteem has something to do with it.

As for ageism, I think it goes both ways.
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IshokuOsero wrote:

I feel like now, more than ever, the anime community should be more accepting of everyone else around them. But it feels like now, more than ever, we've been getting a lot of new fans that just want to create drama and put others down, and I think that's a really sad thing. I've seen it at events I go to as well as on forums like this, and it feels like people were a lot more accepting and less judgmental of those around them in years past. It feels like (and I suppose is probably true) we've gone from being the niche fanbase where everyone accepts everyone else regardless of age and social status, to being this huge disaster of immature people that just want to start crap and act superior to everyone else. You can't even go to events and cosplay with beginner quality outfits anymore without a ton of people jumping all over it not being the best outfit ever, it's gross.


I do remember that. It used to be the case that if you're a fan and you find out someone else you meet also is, you're instantly bonded. Now, not so much.


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I never ask people what they do for a living, it seems too personal.



Sometimes, people get personal in a debate when they're not supposed to.

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I only started watching anime in the mid 90s, so I don't really consider myself a part of the "Old Guard". Though I've heard some people round these parts say even being in your late 20s is "old".. Bunch of brats.

Anyway, even compared to the 90s, it's so easy to find not only other anime fans in general, but fans of your favorite series or "waifu," even. Perhaps as a result there's something of a, "there are other otaku in the sea," mentality.

However, even fans who've been around a while aren't totally immune to this.. I'll admit that I don't put as much effort into getting along or making nice with people in the community that I don't immediately click with anymore. In days of yore I felt more compelled to do so, even if they were a filthy Ayeka fan (that's a joke, everyone knows that it's Ryoko fans who are cretins), just because in a smaller community I couldn't afford to alienate people.

But it could also be said that the mentality I used to have was thanks to the people who came before I did welcoming me into the community with open arms, as it were. I had a long-standing friendship with a woman nearly twice my age and halfway across the globe thanks to a mutual appreciation for some of Mitsuru Adachi's work and it didn't really matter that we came from dramatically different walks of life or that I was still a snot-nosed brat at the time.

I don't even know where I'm going with this post anymore.. I feel like I'm rambling and my glass is almost empty. I guess it's just a sense that finding other anime fans has lost much of its novelty, and even if it's technically a good thing, it also feels like a bit of a shame.
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All I know is that the groups designed to bring people together through anime in this one horse town have all fizzled out. Most of the shops that sell it have folded. If you don't agree with the Consensus, then you're being 'political' and are not really welcome.

I remember it being cheaper before, too. Now look at the prices, and it's terrible.
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These aren't broad generalizations. These are observations, which means I've only run across a relative limited number of users in this forum (of course... I'm not going to interact with thousands in here) and this represents the limited experience based on that limited number of people.

Users older than me have never asked "what I do". I myself only asked somebody that ONE time when I got really annoyed while discussing daylight savings time and the other person insisted on switching to solar time on solar dials... I've never asked again, since. Users older than me appears to know that people's occupation have ZERO to do with what people talk about, unless it's literally a thread about what people do for a living or something like that.

Users older than me don't volunteer what they do, either. This is pretty consistent with people I meet even at work. A couple of months ago I found out that someone who I've known for years helped defined how Linux worked at the time of its definition, and I found out only because it was his retirement party and the factoid slipped out when he was giving this one anecdote. My jaw dropped. All these years I've never asked much about his work while talking with him at company "fun events" because I generally tried not to talk about work while not at work. Darn, I sort of regret that now... or not.

I haven't really run into a user older than me that has a big head. I think it's probably because of them having similar experiences such as I had and is still having, which is working with people 10 times smarter than me. I've literally felt dumb and clueless (and still gets to do that sometimes, because there is way too much to learn about everything), which leads to humility. When I was just getting started out of college, I admit I had a really, big, head. Oh, I've "accomplished" so much. Oh, I've "come to town". LOL so what?! I am oh-so-knowledgeable. NOT. For every person I run into anywhere on the street there's at least 10 others 10 times smarter than me somewhere, many probably in plain sight but they never advertise themselves. I've come to "know my place", which is a very ordinary one.

I haven't really seen an older user employ any kind of ageism in the forums, saying anything like "Oh you're younger so you don't know anything". On the other hand, I've had users younger than me trying to discredit me and outright attack me using my age, saying that "you don't belong here" or "what are you doing here"... Well guess what... I do what everybody else do in GD, either trying to have fun by discussing random tidbits of news / non-news or basically talking about random crap that galled them at one time or another like I'm doing here (how's that for a summary of GD?) Of course, I've had my small shares of what could be seen as crotchetiness in the past (or even NOW, as in this very post that I'm writing right now) but those weren't episodes of random lash-outs:



That's pretty much it. Other than that, they seem to have a longer fuse than I do. Just I wait, I'll get one yet!

/semi-typical GD post

I hope its better getting that rant out. I've found that ageism works both ways. I've seen some older ones discredit younger ones and younger ones discredit older ones. Personally I don't care what age anyone here is nor what they do study or do for work. That talk is for other times and places.
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even if they were a filthy Ayeka fan (that's a joke, everyone knows that it's Ryoko fans who are cretins), just because in a smaller community I couldn't afford to alienate people.





You're right- things are different now. There are both pluses and minuses that go along with things going mainstream and becoming much more available, along with the much larger base.
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Unfortunately, I think this is just a sign of the times anymore. After social media really took hold and flame wars became the norm between everyone, normal people and internationally broadcast famous people alike, it seems like no one has any decency when it comes to talking to or about anyone. I don't really think this is specific to anime or age or anything really anymore sadly. In the end, at least in my opinion, age doesn't have any bearing on what you do or how you should do anything. Same with any other facet of life but I know that opinion is definitely the few and not the majority.

As for newer anime fans, I don't think they know the struggles of growing up an anime / manga fan without internet. With the whole "cartoons from Japan = porn" from titles like La Blue Girl and Bible Black etc. to just no availability (re-renting the 4 or 5 titles the local video place had on vhs over and over or watching all the episodes of Sailor Moon religiously by waking up 2 hours early for school every day) it must be hard to imagine a world without everything at your fingertips 24/7. Seeing as I personally only know 1 other person that has any interest in Japanese anything more than Dragonball and Naruto (nothing wrong with either of these titles if you like them, but I want to tell these people that there are vast amounts of other shows out there too) I can't comment a whole lot about "newer" fans per se. I have had the same experiences as IshokuOsero though, in that cosplayers with not-so-pro costumes seem to get the short end of the stick at cons. This I don't understand, just making and wearing a costume to a place where thousands of other people that like the same things are takes more courage than I have.

As for "what you do", unless someone volunteers that information older or younger I think that's a personal question more often than not. Once again though, when people have all their personal information on whichever flavor of social media platform they choose, asking people personal information must just seem normal. Even at my age I can honestly say "times, they are a changin'" to say the least lol.
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I'm not disagreeing, just commenting.

nanikore2 wrote:

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These aren't broad generalizations. These are observations, which means I've only run across a relative limited number of users in this forum (of course... I'm not going to interact with thousands in here) and this represents the limited experience based on that limited number of people.

Users older than me have never asked "what I do". I myself only asked somebody that ONE time when I got really annoyed while discussing daylight savings time and the other person insisted on switching to solar time on solar dials... I've never asked again, since. Users older than me appears to know that people's occupation have ZERO to do with what people talk about, unless it's literally a thread about what people do for a living or something like that.

Users older than me don't volunteer what they do, either. This is pretty consistent with people I meet even at work. A couple of months ago I found out that someone who I've known for years helped defined how Linux worked at the time of its definition, and I found out only because it was his retirement party and the factoid slipped out when he was giving this one anecdote. My jaw dropped. All these years I've never asked much about his work while talking with him at company "fun events" because I generally tried not to talk about work while not at work. Darn, I sort of regret that now... or not.

I'm only 30, younger than you, and I've never done this either. I've been in arguments where people used insults and I have returned in kind, but I generally avoid this stuff. I see no point. I know an old man who's a farmer and a pothead, and he's got more wisdom than many people I speak with in government. So, occupation really can have little to do with someone's intelligence and knowledge in many areas. If I ask, it is out of curiosity because I care about you, not to discredit you.

I haven't really run into a user older than me that has a big head. I think it's probably because of them having similar experiences such as I had and is still having, which is working with people 10 times smarter than me. I've literally felt dumb and clueless (and still gets to do that sometimes, because there is way too much to learn about everything), which leads to humility. When I was just getting started out of college, I admit I had a really, big, head. Oh, I've "accomplished" so much. Oh, I've "come to town". LOL so what?! I am oh-so-knowledgeable. NOT. For every person I run into anywhere on the street there's at least 10 others 10 times smarter than me somewhere, many probably in plain sight but they never advertise themselves. I've come to "know my place", which is a very ordinary one.

I would hope I don't have a big head. hehe I think you are looking at this wrong, also. I feel confidence often shows itself as arrogance in youth. Often we temper that into a less cocky confidence as we age. We also learn to be more confident. So, I feel like there's a whole lot of not big-headed younger guys and gals, who just happen to not debate at all. But, that's really just my guess.


I haven't really seen an older user employ any kind of ageism in the forums, saying anything like "Oh you're younger so you don't know anything". On the other hand, I've had users younger than me trying to discredit me and outright attack me using my age, saying that "you don't belong here" or "what are you doing here"... Well guess what... I do what everybody else do in GD, either trying to have fun by discussing random tidbits of news / non-news or basically talking about random crap that galled them at one time or another like I'm doing here (how's that for a summary of GD?) Of course, I've had my small shares of what could be seen as crotchetiness in the past (or even NOW, as in this very post that I'm writing right now) but those weren't episodes of random lash-outs:

Sometimes age is relevant, other times it is not. If you think someone doesn't have good taste in this or that due to age, that's being an asshole. If you point out that you've experienced things they have not, because of your or their age, that's just acknowledging it. I mean, I wouldn't be offended by someone who told me, "You weren't around in the Great Depression, so there's some things you aren't understanding."




That's pretty much it. Other than that, they seem to have a longer fuse than I do. Just I wait, I'll get one yet!

/semi-typical GD post


About the longer fuse thing--so true. I often become agitated with people, here, when all I really want to do is explain my position and have them understand it. Even if they don't agree.
That's when my worst qualities come out.

Hoping I improve with age. :D
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Unfortunately, I think this is just a sign of the times anymore. After social media really took hold and flame wars became the norm between everyone, normal people and internationally broadcast famous people alike, it seems like no one has any decency when it comes to talking to or about anyone. I don't really think this is specific to anime or age or anything really anymore sadly.


When dial-up BBSes were popular, A bunch of us in my area code would get together sometimes to have lunch / dinner / activities (because nobody dials long-distance for BBSes, it's always local people on a board). Now, imagine if you're rude to someone on a BBS and you'd have to go face-to-face with this person, not to mention sometimes people know exactly where either each live............ yeah............... Those online days were much friendlier for more reasons than one.
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I think experience, not age, is what shapes people. That said, being older usually (but not always) means having more variety of experiences to draw from. That's not always a good thing though. Young people can be brash, crude, overconfident... but also flexible, accepting, and exuberant. Older people can be wise, patient, reserved... but also stubborn, bitter, and apathetic. And most people are some of these things at any age.
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Disclaimer: below yak-yak are generalizations, not facts. Read "Passages" by Gail Sheehy. It's old but the info is still pertinent re age cohorts broken down by each decade.

When you achieve mid-fifties and beyond you'll likely enter a phase where you really don't see any reason to counter an opinion because you won't care as long as that opinion isn't a personal attack on you. By late-50's you'll have witnessed as well as lived through an accumulative effect of mannerisms, habits, logic / thought processes at this stage of the game called Life that you pretty much have it figured out (for better or worse) how it has affected / effected you. All you have to do is sit back and observe others (millennials, Gen-Xers, etc ) younger than you play out their respective life roles.

Teenagers love to bicker, seem to be thin-skinned. No worries, they eventually mature and grow out of that complainer phase as they age. Twenty- and early-thirty somethings learn to take bigger risks, hopefully learn from both their successes and mistakes. This is the era in Life where the sense of immortality still persists. Late-thirties is where sense of immortality fades and mortality becomes a little more real. Life experience gets easier (or not).

Forties is mid-life crises decade. You might metamorphize and shake off old thoughts, habits; you might not and prefer to stay stuck. Fifties is where sense of ageism really strikes home. Certain abilities are harder to accomplish and one becomes quite aware of where they stand compared to eventual replacement by youth.who are both more compliant and less costly (if employed working for someone else). Fifties is where you are very much aware of the word "expendable". Sixties is where you experience a renaissance of the self. Sixties is where you no longer have to impress others (yea that), care about acquisition. Your re-prioritize while the internal clock resets toward your eventual countdown and demise. Boo hoo.
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