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I wish the mod(s) would end troll-thread spam.
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Well, that's a really strange view of trash talk.

He is actually making troll-threads. I asked that mods put a stop to the troll threads.

That's not trash talking. I mean, ONLY as an example, talking trash would be: So-in-so is a moron. He seems like someone who got banned for be completely obnoxious to others who had different beliefs than him. After his ban, he made another account and created a ton of troll threads that individually could not be worthy of action, but as a whole point to outright harassment of the forums. It's an obvious act of immaturity. He probably still lives with his parents and has no girlfriend/boyfriend. Actually, now that I think about it, it's so sad I really just feel sorry for him. Ignore me, let the poor sap continue his troll-thread spam.

See the difference?


You have a point I suppose, but you still shouldn't make threads targeting specific users. Also what's so wrong about not having a girlfriend or boyfriend?


That's an example of trash talking. Taking personal jabs at someone else.
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Yah know, Lorreen is pretty damn lenient compared to other forums--even other moderators on this forum. The fact she allows this thread to continue like this really demonstrates that. She could have just closed it. Most forums would.

Moderators protect individual users and are not allowed to show favoritism--if anything her not taking action really demonstrates her unwillingness to please over her better judgement. Lorreen's neutral behavior is rather appreciated by some. It doesn't matter if you feel valid in your complaints or not. Issues with individual members are best handled in private. It's pretty standard etiquette.

These threads are nothing. You could just ignore them and move on--heck even flood with what you think are better threads. The members in the end are the ones to decide which ones they feel are worth posting on. Frankly, people do post on them and some discussion is had whether intended or not by the OP.

Those threads can be rather grey in that it's possibly trolling or perhaps not. When you're in the position to decide whether to punish or not, it's better to play it safe than sorry. There really isn't any harm in letting them go in this instance aside from upsetting those that choose not to ignore them.




This thread violates no terms of service or rules.

I did not insult Deyre, I asked that his troll-thread spam be put to an end.

And, yeah, I called out Lorreen.

Here's what I've noticed, as long as you aren't completely insulting a person or mod, it is EXTREMELY hard to shut down threads in which mods are being questioned on their behavior. Especially when there's support for that. Because, any act to shut down such a thread is evidence that the mods are doing what you accuse them of doing.

So, as far as her being lenient, not a chance.

Though she does let a lot of stuff slide, most of that stuff aligns with her own beliefs. Which has always been my entire point. If her activity wasn't biased, then YES, she'd be a damn good mod. But it is.

Look in the other post I mentioned, where someone called me a caveman and said I was no better than ISIS. Let me see if I can find it:



There you go.
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I think a good solution was suggested already earlier with some sort of limit in how many threads a day you can create. Maybe even make the limits specific to what section you are posting in if that is even possible. It might not stop troll threads from being created but could help limit them and at least make them a bit easier to get rid of since there wouldn't be as many to sift through.

I also think that maybe a political section or even just reviving the extended discussion sections wouldn't be so bad. At the very least I think something should be done about the political ones since those are pretty toxic and can go downhill very quickly. If they were separated then at least those looking for that kind of thing could still do so while others wouldn't have to bother seeing it around.

I don't know though. I'm not very good at coming up with ideas for problems like these forums have.
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I feel like this thread is one big stage meant to host Ejanss' posturing.
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I think a good solution was suggested already earlier with some sort of limit in how many threads a day you can create. Maybe even make the limits specific to what section you are posting in if that is even possible. It might not stop troll threads from being created but could help limit them and at least make them a bit easier to get rid of since there wouldn't be as many to sift through.

I also think that maybe a political section or even just reviving the extended discussion sections wouldn't be so bad. At the very least I think something should be done about the political ones since those are pretty toxic and can go downhill very quickly. If they were separated then at least those looking for that kind of thing could still do so while others wouldn't have to bother seeing it around.

I don't know though. I'm not very good at coming up with ideas for problems like these forums have.


I support the threads per day limit. Except, I'd say it be a set amount for each forum. Like, GD is two. Forum game is one. And so on.

That would solve this issue pretty nicely.

Especially if the real dum-dums try to make multiple accounts to continue trolling with spam threads. Perma-bans all around! hehe
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Deyre if you're reading this, I'm not bothered by you or your threads!!!!!
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First of all, let's stop abstracting the subject--It's Deyre. He's trolling. He's BORED with how easy he's trolling. He, for various neurological reasons Lorreen thinks is "mean" to point out, is in his own world where he believes he's the group's #1 Hoot for trolling. He thinks we can't wait to read the next one.
It's not an issue of "Maybe he has a serious point about whether Kurt Cobain would vote for Trump if he was Jewish!"...He's trolling. To kid yourself any other way would be imaginary and sad.

Now, Moderators have to be fair...But they have to be fair in order to keep peace on the group. Which means you can be banned for being disruptive to the conversations. Even if (ahemraisedinacult) you might happen to be perfectly earnest in being a nut, if your presence in a thread is damage to the smooth flow of conversation, that is being Disruptive.
And that is against the Forum Rules. And as detailed earlier, Forum Rules are LITERALLY the only Rules around here. Don't cry "First Amendment", you signed those rights away yourself the day you registered.
If the Moderator feels that a thread is going in the wrong direction and causing disruption, that thread can be locked to prevent further arguments. A rule-breaking poster can be banned for a day, week, month, or life. Even without breaking rules, a Moderator can "interpret the spirit of the Rules" and do what they can to prevent any further disruption in the conversation.

Lorreen has locked no Deyre threads. She has removed his name from threads that were accusing him of being disruptive. She has often been the only one to come to his defenses that his threads were probably "genuine", even when they were cynically lazy, uninformed, and just plain strange, even for deliberate provocative trolling. In private comments to me, she even pointed out his posts were "strange", but were still convinced they were "Colorful discussion topics", i.e.. that they were good for us to have around.
And any posters who expressed disagreement, and objection to his being on the board, she has accused of being "mean", and banned the accuser, not the accused.

Lorreen is PROTECTING Deyre. I do not for the life of me know why, but there is no other conclusion to be drawn.
My only conclusion is that from all the group hoo-hah that has gotten out of control, Lorreen has somehow retreated into some oversenstively abstract issue where she imagines that to pick on him is to pick on her, and all such "misunderstood" people she has imagined herself to be (we do have those problems with certain, ahem, other controversial forum topics), and that is patently false.
To protect any member from harm at the expense of other regular posters with solid discussion reputations is as much an abuse of Moderator power as to deliberately target any poster. The issue of the group comes first, and the most vocally expressed majority opinion seems to be that Deyre would be best not protected from harm. Whether we are allowed to do the harming instead is a quite different issue, and also against the rules--
In the interest of Forum Rules, the only answer is to turn the disputed figure off like a switch and remove him from the equation. Period, f***in' period.

And if Lorreen wants to pursue the issue to "It's him or ME!", as has been expressed so far in this thread...we're fine with EITHER option.
Right now, all we want is Whatever Does the Job.
And then our happy little group will have peace again. Which is the stated purpose of a Moderator who does their duties properly.


Isn't there someone above the status of forum mod who you can talk to? I haven't been on this forum very long so I'm not really sure.

Either way, if it is as you say that many people are complaining about him and this isn't the only thread made complaining about him, then that's something worth looking into taking action for.

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Isn't there someone above the status of forum mod who you can talk to? I haven't been on this forum very long so I'm not really sure.

Either way, if it is as you say that many people are complaining about him and this isn't the only thread made complaining about him, then that's something worth looking into taking action for.



The short answer: No, Lorreen is at the top of this food chain. Unless you count the CR employees who have no interest in the forums whatsoever.

BUT, my entire intention is to bring their attention back. Because honestly, these forums need some serious unfucking.

LONG ANSWER:


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Posted 10/26/16 , edited 10/26/16

Dogempire wrote:


Ejanss wrote:

And if Lorreen wants to pursue the issue to "It's him or ME!", as has been expressed so far in this thread...we're fine with EITHER option.
Right now, all we want is Whatever Does the Job.
And then our happy little group will have peace again. Which is the stated purpose of a Moderator who does their duties properly.


Isn't there someone above the status of forum mod who you can talk to? I haven't been on this forum very long so I'm not really sure.

Either way, if it is as you say that many people are complaining about him and this isn't the only thread made complaining about him, then that's something worth looking into taking action for.


No, they're really isn't. Most forum boards have one or two independent Moderators, and it's all part-time volunteer work. Unless it becomes so much an issue for the entire site heads that all they can do is block Lorreen's account to deal with it, and that's a bit too harsh.
We're just asking for a new Moderator who doesn't bend the rules to her oversensitive will, not to keep Lor from watching anime.

But at the moment, there doesn't seem to be any choice. We didn't ask Lor to turn the issue to "It's him or me!", and if it is Her, and if that's for the entire site heads to decide, the only option, as Drumstick pointed out, is to vote with your dollars and boycott the site until they take some hand in it. Doesn't have to be "action", just so long as they notice long enough to say something on an issue they usually don't bother to pay any attention to, and let their volunteers sort out. So long as those volunteer flunkies haven't turned into self-styled Bad-Cops.
And again, unlike most boycotts, at least canceling your Premium subscription still allows you to view CR anime (man up, you can put up with a few ads!), and more importantly, TELL them what the issue is and WHY you're hurting their business.

Right now, Lor, it's 1974, there's been an abuse of executive power and a coverup, and a majority demanding Impeachment or Resignation. And unlike the last guy, you have a chance to redeem yourself and stop it.
And if you're going to be oversensitive about it, remember "Those who hate you can't win unless you hate them first" (V-sign).
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Yah know, Lorreen is pretty damn lenient compared to other forums--even other moderators on this forum. The fact she allows this thread to continue like this really demonstrates that. She could have just closed it. Most forums would.

Moderators protect individual users and are not allowed to show favoritism--if anything her not taking action really demonstrates her unwillingness to please over her better judgement. Lorreen's neutral behavior is rather appreciated by some. It doesn't matter if you feel valid in your complaints or not. Issues with individual members are best handled in private. It's pretty standard etiquette.

These threads are nothing. You could just ignore them and move on--heck even flood with what you think are better threads. The members in the end are the ones to decide which ones they feel are worth posting on. Frankly, people do post on them and some discussion is had whether intended or not by the OP.

Those threads can be rather grey in that it's possibly trolling or perhaps not. When you're in the position to decide whether to punish or not, it's better to play it safe than sorry. There really isn't any harm in letting them go in this instance aside from upsetting those that choose not to ignore them.


First of all, let's stop abstracting the subject--It's Deyre. He's trolling. He's BORED with how easy he's trolling. He, for various neurological reasons Lorreen thinks is "mean" to point out, is in his own world where he believes he's the group's #1 Hoot for trolling. He thinks we can't wait to read the next one.
It's not an issue of "Maybe he has a serious point about whether Kurt Cobain would vote for Trump if he was Jewish!"...He's trolling. To kid yourself any other way would be imaginary and sad.

Now, Moderators have to be fair...But they have to be fair in order to keep peace on the group. Which means you can be banned for being disruptive to the conversations. Even if (ahemraisedinacult) you might happen to be perfectly earnest in being a nut, if your presence in a thread is damage to the smooth flow of conversation, that is being Disruptive.
And that is against the Forum Rules. And as detailed earlier, Forum Rules are LITERALLY the only Rules around here. Don't cry "First Amendment", you signed those rights away yourself the day you registered.
If the Moderator feels that a thread is going in the wrong direction and causing disruption, that thread can be locked to prevent further arguments. A rule-breaking poster can be banned for a day, week, month, or life. Even without breaking rules, a Moderator can "interpret the spirit of the Rules" and do what they can to prevent any further disruption in the conversation.

Lorreen has locked no Deyre threads. She has removed his name from threads that were accusing him of being disruptive. She has often been the only one to come to his defenses that his threads were probably "genuine", even when they were cynically lazy, uninformed, and just plain strange, even for deliberate provocative trolling. In private comments to me, she even pointed out his posts were "strange", but were still convinced they were "Colorful discussion topics", i.e.. that they were good for us to have around.
And any posters who expressed disagreement, and objection to his being on the board, she has accused of being "mean", and banned the accuser, not the accused.

Lorreen is PROTECTING Deyre. I do not for the life of me know why, but there is no other conclusion to be drawn.
My only conclusion is that from all the group hoo-hah that has gotten out of control, Lorreen has somehow retreated into some oversenstively abstract issue where she imagines that to pick on him is to pick on her, and all such "misunderstood" people she has imagined herself to be (we do have those problems with certain, ahem, other controversial forum topics), and that is patently false.
To protect any member from harm at the expense of other regular posters with solid discussion reputations is as much an abuse of Moderator power as to deliberately target any poster. The issue of the group comes first, and the most vocally expressed majority opinion seems to be that Deyre would be best not protected from harm. Whether we are allowed to do the harming instead is a quite different issue, and also against the rules--
In the interest of Forum Rules, the only answer is to turn the disputed figure off like a switch and remove him from the equation. Period, f***in' period.

And if Lorreen wants to pursue the issue to "It's him or ME!", as has been expressed so far in this thread...we're fine with EITHER option.
Right now, all we want is Whatever Does the Job.
And then our happy little group will have peace again. Which is the stated purpose of a Moderator who does their duties properly.


Just figured I would point out that she has indeed locked some of his threads and even warned him about his posting habits telling him that it could result in a ban on creating new threads. So while she may indeed be too lenient in this particular case I wouldn't say she is really protecting him either. Posts that target him, or any user, just aren't allowed either. Maybe they get a bit more attention because they are considered a bigger offense than creating so many troll threads. I don't really know.
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No, they're really isn't. Most forum boards have one or two independent Moderators, and it's all part-time volunteer work. Unless it becomes so much an issue for the entire site heads that all they can do is block Lorreen's account to deal with it, and that's a bit too harsh.
We're just asking for a new Moderator who doesn't bend the rules to her oversensitive will, not to keep Lor from watching anime.

But at the moment, there doesn't seem to be any choice. We didn't ask Lor to turn the issue to "It's him or me!", and if it is Her, and if that's for the entire site heads to decide, the only option, as Drumstick pointed out, is to vote with your dollars and boycott the site until they take some hand in it. Doesn't have to be "action", just so long as they notice long enough to say something on an issue they usually don't bother to pay any attention to, and let their volunteers sort out. So long as those volunteer flunkies haven't turned into self-styled Bad-Cops.
And again, unlike most boycotts, at least canceling your Premium subscription still allows you to view CR anime (man up, you can put up with a few ads!), and more importantly, TELL them what the issue is and WHY you're hurting their business.

Right now, Lor, it's 1974, there's been an abuse of executive power and a coverup, and a majority demanding Impeachment or Resignation. And unlike the last guy, you have a chance to redeem yourself and stop it.
And if you're going to be oversensitive about it, remember "Those who hate you can't win unless you hate them first" (V-sign).


I agree, vote with dollars. All that requires is that you wait a week to watch anime and watch ads. That's IF, you can't find another site to get you anime, or choose not to.

Not saying I use adblocker, but it works fine on this site. Just so as you know.

One other thing, I don't want any more mods. I want the removal of mod interference in the forums and the implementation of a block feature that works. If anyone can block anyone effectively, the only purpose mods would serve is to delete accounts created to harass users who've blocked their main account. That could be handled through a report button.

So, in short, you can report users for harassment via multiple accounts, but the forums are a "view at your own risk" endeavor. If there is something you don't want to see, don't look at it. If there is a user who offends you, block him/her.
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Posted 10/26/16 , edited 10/27/16

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Just figured I would point out that she has indeed locked some of his threads and even warned him about his posting habits telling him that it could result in a ban on creating new threads. So while she may indeed be too lenient in this particular case I wouldn't say she is really protecting him either. Posts that target him, or any user, just aren't allowed either. Maybe they get a bit more attention because they are considered a bigger offense than creating so many troll threads. I don't really know.


This thread is not targeting Deyre. This thread is targeting his creation of troll threads.

And, I'd be interested in you linking those warning and locked threads, if you'd be so kind.
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No, they're really isn't. Most forum boards have one or two independent Moderators, and it's all part-time volunteer work. Unless it becomes so much an issue for the entire site heads that all they can do is block Lorreen's account to deal with it, and that's a bit too harsh.
We're just asking for a new Moderator who doesn't bend the rules to her oversensitive will, not to keep Lor from watching anime.

But at the moment, there doesn't seem to be any choice. We didn't ask Lor to turn the issue to "It's him or me!", and if it is Her, and if that's for the entire site heads to decide, the only option, as Drumstick pointed out, is to vote with your dollars and boycott the site until they take some hand in it. Doesn't have to be "action", just so long as they notice long enough to say something on an issue they usually don't bother to pay any attention to, and let their volunteers sort out. So long as those volunteer flunkies haven't turned into self-styled Bad-Cops.
And again, unlike most boycotts, at least canceling your Premium subscription still allows you to view CR anime (man up, you can put up with a few ads!), and more importantly, TELL them what the issue is and WHY you're hurting their business.

Right now, Lor, it's 1974, there's been an abuse of executive power and a coverup, and a majority demanding Impeachment or Resignation. And unlike the last guy, you have a chance to redeem yourself and stop it.
And if you're going to be oversensitive about it, remember "Those who hate you can't win unless you hate them first" (V-sign).


I mean, you could contact corporate. You'd be surprised at what you can accomplish if you go through the proper channels and companies care more than you'd think.
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Another thing I'd suggest is more transparency.

The last mod (was actually the admin) I had issue with was on wikia. While I didn't have him removed (nor did I want to have him removed), I did make it VERY hard for him to act unfairly. I still call him on his bullshit, from time to time. He's stopped responding to me at all, because he is so blatantly wrong it's easy to dig himself a deeper hole by arguing with me.

However, one of the reasons it was so easy to do this was because any user can see all activity, older versions of threads, edits, etc of ANY user. It wasn't easy unless you knew you could do this, but I happened to know how. I stalked his page and watched every action he took for over two weeks. Every time he did something questionable, I blasted his actions on the forums.

He eventually had to promote five more mods, under the guise of it being necessary due to a site update. However, this action did its true job, which was to silence people in the forums who were demanding more moderators.

Here, you literally have to watch twice as closely, bouncing back and forth between old threads and hoping you remember what was there in the first place. If I had the same transparency, I'd shred lorreen's credibility.
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I mean, you could contact corporate. You'd be surprised at what you can accomplish if you go through the proper channels and companies care more than you'd think.


Only true if corporate actually believed it was something that would cause them to lose money. At the moment, they don't believe the forums have monetary value. Boycott. Then you will be heard.
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