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You are insane
You are advocating completely fucking up a CHILD'S growth cycle to push a sick perverted agenda.
How can you even justify that?
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/22/boy-treated-as-a-girl-by-his-mother-suffered-significant-emotional-harm-court-hears/


Does not seem like that boy was transgender, just forced on it by a strange mother. Hormonal blockers are completely reversible at any time. Please use more than anecdotal evidence if you want to actual seem not completely ill informed.
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completely reversible .

Oh of course. Zero side effects from hormone blockers huh... wow.

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Oh of course. Zero side effects from hormone blockers huh... wow.

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Actually it's true. There are no real harmful side effects, provided there is a doctor there to ensure safe treatment.
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:


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Gender dysphoria can be eliminated almost entirely in a transgender patient who is in preadolescence or adolescence through hormone blockers



You are insane
You are advocating completely fucking up a CHILD'S growth cycle to push a sick perverted agenda.
How can you even justify that?
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/22/boy-treated-as-a-girl-by-his-mother-suffered-significant-emotional-harm-court-hears/


Actually there is nothing in legitimate transition processes that would mess with "a CHILD'S growth cycle". It only involves taking a prescribed dosage of hormone blockers with the supervision of a medical professional until the child is of age to decide to transition fully. There is no danger at all and the entire process can be reversed simply by stopping the blocker intake.

Or you know, we could just give anti-psychotics to kids who don't even suffer from psychoses. Now THAT would be really safe wouldn't it?
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Eh whatever more power to the women please.
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Okay. My question:

Does it fucking matter if it is or is not a mental illness?

I mean, I honestly believe that it is a sort of a mental illness, or at least disorder, with physiological causes. That's based on all the information I've seen. Now, I also say that in the least condemning way. The thought that mental disorders, or whatever label you want to use, are inherently a thing we should change with medication is one of our modern absurdities.
People who were like this or that have existed since.... basically the beginning of human history. And, actually, our condemnation of these individuals is also a modern absurdity, in the grand scheme of things. Overall, through the course of human history, we've accepted these people and let them live their lives. Live and let live. Bigotry on this matter is hardly universal throughout history. And throughout history, these people adapted by being the best version of themselves they could be.... long before psychology or medication or sex changes or some crazy ass laws.

So here's my take, what does matter as long as these individuals are doing what makes them happy and not hurting anyone else? I don't care if it is or is not a mental illness. I have argued that it was in the past, but not out of bigotry, simply because the evidence seems so to me. However, now I find the argument completely absurd. I'm a unipolar manic. Basically, think bipolar, except I never have the depression, just constant mania.

Do I need meds? Am I crazy? Do I need to fix myself? NO. I take that information, and I live my life to the fullest with that knowledge.

So, TL;DR:
It doesn't matter whether it is or is not a mental illness. These individuals should do what makes them happy and healthy. It doesn't matter what that is, as long as it works for them and it doesn't cause anyone else harm. And if anyone tells them otherwise, I say fuck 'em. If your goal isn't to help someone be happy and healthy, you need to take a step back, look at yourself, and realize that you're a fucking asshole.
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Okay. My question:

Does it fucking matter if it is or is not a mental illness?

I mean, I honestly believe that it is a sort of a mental illness, or at least disorder, with physiological causes. That's based on all the information I've seen. Now, I also say that in the least condemning way. The thought that mental disorders, or whatever label you want to use, are inherently a thing we should change with medication is one of our modern absurdities.
People who were like this or that have existed since.... basically the beginning of human history. And, actually, our condemnation of these individuals is also a modern absurdity, in the grand scheme of things. Overall, through the course of human history, we've accepted these people and let them live their lives. Live and let live. Bigotry on this matter is hardly universal throughout history. And throughout history, these people adapted by being the best version of themselves they could be.... long before psychology or medication or sex changes or some crazy ass laws.

So here's my take, what does matter as long as these individuals are doing what makes them happy and not hurting anyone else? I don't care if it is or is not a mental illness. I have argued that it was in the past, but not out of bigotry, simply because the evidence seems so to me. However, now I find the argument completely absurd. I'm a unipolar manic. Basically, think bipolar, except I never have the depression, just constant mania.

Do I need meds? Am I crazy? Do I need to fix myself? NO. I take that information, and I live my life to the fullest with that knowledge.

So, TL;DR:
It doesn't matter whether it is or is not a mental illness. These individuals should do what makes them happy and healthy. It doesn't matter what that is, as long as it works for them and it doesn't cause anyone else harm. And if anyone tells them otherwise, I say fuck 'em. If your goal isn't to help someone be happy and healthy, you need to take a step back, look at yourself, and realize that you're a fucking asshole.


Well it does make a difference. The difference can be found in how they are reacted to, treated etc. But yeah, I just like having a laugh at A_L's insane fabrications.
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Well it does make a difference. The difference can be found in how they are reacted to, treated etc. But yeah, I just like having a laugh at A_L's insane fabrications.


You missed the point bud. The point is that it shouldn't matter. You should treat everyone with love and respect, and let them be who they are without being an asshole about it.

People don't do that, but they SHOULD, and it shouldn't matter if textbooks classify it as a mental illness or not. They're fucking people. They are who they are. And you should love them for that, regardless.

If it DOES matter to you, whether or not it is a mental illness, then you are missing the important thing. Even if you are trying to convince people it isn't a mental illness. You're wasting your time, and you should be explaining that it is still not justification for being a bigot/asshole.

But, hey... my opinion is my opinion man. Take no offense. I just try to follow the golden rule: Don't be an asshole.
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HolyDrumstick wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

Well it does make a difference. The difference can be found in how they are reacted to, treated etc. But yeah, I just like having a laugh at A_L's insane fabrications.


You missed the point bud. The point is that it shouldn't matter. You should treat everyone with love and respect, and let them be who they are without being an asshole about it.

People don't do that, but they SHOULD, and it shouldn't matter if textbooks classify it as a mental illness or not. They're fucking people. They are who they are. And you should love them for that, regardless.

If it DOES matter to you, whether or not it is a mental illness, then you are missing the important thing. Even if you are trying to convince people it isn't a mental illness. You're wasting your time, and you should be explaining that it is still not justification for being a bigot/asshole.

But, hey... my opinion is my opinion man. Take no offense. I just try to follow the golden rule: Don't be an asshole.


This is all fair and true. I still think it's pretty misrepresentative to think of it as a mental illness/disorder/whatever the next contrarian thinks it is, so as a science student my first response is to get the accurate information out there, but you're right, at the end of the day it really doesn't make a big difference.
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I think that they should ban that shit, personally i dont wanna see that creepy and disturbing, disgusting shit. i personally dont find it all that funny.
But then again i am fairly against censorship and i do believe in personal choice as far as how one dose dress (except for the burqa).
So whilst i would not miss seeing that shit (at all) i guess people should be free to do it...
Also i do realize that this is just that one paticular con that i wont be going to anyways and also that they reveresed the decision to ban it.
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I think that they should ban that shit, personally i dont wanna see that creepy and disturbing, disgusting shit. i personally dont find it all that funny.
But then again i am fairly against censorship and i do believe in personal choice as far as how one dose dress (except for the burqa).
So whilst i would not miss seeing that shit (at all) i guess people should be free to do it...
Also i do realize that this is just that one paticular con that i wont be going to anyways and also that they reveresed the decision to ban it.


A lot of people are going to look at this and be like: BIGOTRY!!

Okay, so you think it is gross and it bothers you. That's just how you feel. Try to work on being less creeped out maybe.

BUT, the important part here is that you say: Though it bothers me, they should have that right.

That means, at the end of the day, no matter what feelings and preconceptions, you can set those aside and realize that it doesn't give you the right to take others' rights.


I just gotta say, I think that takes a big man. It's easy to approve of something that doesn't bother you. It is much harder to accept something that does. And that's what REAL tolerance looks like.

Kudos man. You are less of an asshole than a lot of people. Cheers.
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There is no danger at all and the entire process can be reversed simply by stopping the blocker intake.


Citations needed
There are plenty of side effects just from taking these hormone blockers, and there are side effects in the form of withdrawal symptoms as well.
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

There is no danger at all and the entire process can be reversed simply by stopping the blocker intake.


Citations needed
There are plenty of side effects just from taking these hormone blockers, and there are side effects in the form of withdrawal symptoms as well.


"Citations needed"

-cites nothing

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Also, OH NOOO!!!! WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS??!! That means it's as harmful as half of the prescription drugs on the market!!!!!!
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I'm laughing so hard right now. The only "side effects" to taking puberty blockers that I could find was stuff that only happens due to not experiencing puberty (ex: lower bone density) Not experiencing puberty isn't a side effect, it's literally the entire point.
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